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Old December 30 2012, 05:08 PM   #16
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Re: Does nu-Trek exclude Enterprise too?

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Yeah, but "In a Mirror, Darkly" and "These are the Voyages" corfirms Star Trek: Enterprise's place in Trek Prime's history books, too. They cannot be ignored.
ENT was from a more similar timeline to the prime TOS universe, but different enough in key events that led to this completely alternate reality in ST09.
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Old December 30 2012, 05:17 PM   #17
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Then why are details of the NX-01's missions in the USS Defiant's logs (lost in TOS: "The Tholian Web") in "In a Mirror, Darkly"? If ENT were from the nuTrek timeline only, the Defiant would have looked like the 2009 ship and TNG in "These are the Voyages" would have been completely unrecognizable.

Plus, Seven of Nine mentioned the Borg's attempt to stop First Contact a couple of times in Voyager. Retcons and coninuity errors aside, it's all supposed to be the same timeline.
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Old December 30 2012, 05:50 PM   #18
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Three timelines:

TOS prime timeline

TOS timeline affected by events of FC (creating ENT)

ST09 alternate timeline affected by events of ENT
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Old December 30 2012, 06:15 PM   #19
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Re: Does nu-Trek exclude Enterprise too?

There's certainly some cross contamination between timelines - not only Spock Prime, but isn't Data's head buried somewhere in San Francisco ?

Would such entanglement (especially if Data's head is discovered and activated) lead to the two timelines to reconverge sometime in the future ?

And if so, what happens to Vulcan/Romulus ?
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Old December 30 2012, 07:22 PM   #20
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Re: Does nu-Trek exclude Enterprise too?

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TOS timeline affected by events of FC (creating ENT)
There is no such timeline. ENT was always part of the timeline, even in TOS. There was never a timeline where it was not.

As for FC, it was a predestination paradox. It, like ENT, was always supposed to happen.
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Old December 30 2012, 07:54 PM   #21
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Three timelines:

TOS prime timeline

TOS timeline affected by events of FC (creating ENT)

ST09 alternate timeline affected by events of ENT
There are actually far, far more timelines in Star Trek than just these three. So where does one draw the line?
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Old December 30 2012, 08:04 PM   #22
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There are actually far, far more timelines in Star Trek than just these three. So where does one draw the line?
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Old December 30 2012, 08:08 PM   #23
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Am I misremembering, or is the first scene where Seven mentions the Borg incursion in VOY played as if the other characters have no idea what she's talking about? Could it be that Seven has got 'race memories' of the Borg incursion timeline, which none of the Starfleet personel recognise because they're all still part of an older order of things, pre-timeline change?

I've always thought it significant that nobody in the Prime universe ever mentioned the NX-01 or any of her crew until Nemesis came along. Almost as if it hadn't existed at all...
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Old December 30 2012, 08:24 PM   #24
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Its fiction. Whatever the writers say is included is included. Especially more true when we are talking time travel and its "logic".
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Old December 30 2012, 08:49 PM   #25
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New Trek doesn't really exclude or invalidate anything.
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Old December 30 2012, 08:55 PM   #26
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I been thinking of posting this someplace I guess it fits in this thread.

Fictional Continuity is an illusion. A magic trick. If you look at it from a certain angle it seems believable. But any rational person knows that the illusionist is not realy floating on the stage, etc. Its fake. Its a facade. Of course if you start analyzing closely it like its real life its going to look phoney. Because it always has been phoney. Not just Time Travel but Star Trek in general.
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Old December 30 2012, 09:16 PM   #27
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Three timelines:

TOS prime timeline

TOS timeline affected by events of FC (creating ENT)

ST09 alternate timeline affected by events of ENT
There are actually far, far more timelines in Star Trek than just these three. So where does one draw the line?
One doesn't, I suppose.

I agree that there are infinitely more timelines. What is the Mirror Universe but an alternate timeline.
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Old December 30 2012, 09:27 PM   #28
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Re: Does nu-Trek exclude Enterprise too?

Remember the MST3K mantra, "Repeat to yourself it's just a show, I really should relax."

Based on the Admiral Archer line, NX-01 was in their past and Archer apparently lived to see the 1701 launched. So that was probably him who lost his prized beagle. Poor guy.
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Old December 30 2012, 11:18 PM   #29
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Old December 31 2012, 12:37 AM   #30
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My point is that not a bad thing. This is fiction not archaeology. People are entitled to dislike inconsistencies. But they are probably ignoring them in something else they do like.
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