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Old December 28 2012, 02:06 AM   #31
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Re: Do you agree with the concept of the Q?

Regarding Voyager's use of the Q, I thought Death Wish was a good episode, but the other two were awful.
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Old December 28 2012, 02:15 AM   #32
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Re: Do you agree with the concept of the Q?

The concept of Q is just bad writing.

John DeLancie is a good actor, and he did an exceptional job with what he was given.

It's just a shame that Picard was repeatedly pitted against a character in multiple episodes that Kirk would have made a laughing stock in 43 minutes.

Don't get me started on Voyager.
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Old December 29 2012, 05:44 PM   #33
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Re: Do you agree with the concept of the Q?

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But I fully believe that an omnipotent race like the "Q" would either seek out to police the universe or dominate it. They don't seem to do either. And then you have this anomaly with one individual where it likes to tease and taunt people with no productive or scientific aims (e.g. study). The "Q" being we meet has many human qualities... and I seriously don't think that fits at all.
There's no saying what behaviour would fit an omnipotent race with an intelligence far beyond our own. Surely they would not be constrained by our notions of responsible or mature behaviour, or by what we consider to be goals worth striving for. For all we know even their seemingly most childish pranks could have motives far beyond our understanding

There's even some real life precedent for Q's behaviour in the sense that there are some 'spiritual masters' reputed to be enlightened that claim that their 'immature' behaviour cannot be judged by conventional standards. (Then again, the majority of those cases are most probably frauds. As the Q could be.) I don't mean to say that I believe those masters are real, just that from within the viewing points of such spiritual communities, there is an explanation for seemingly strange behaviour. As star trek is fiction, what is only a rationalization of aberrant behaviour in such communities could be reality here.

Interpreting Q as some kind of 'enlightened' being that plays with Picard, in order to show him that he takes himself, his own life and the lives of his shipmates, and even the ideals of his Federation far too seriously in the grand scheme of things, and that perhaps he is stuck within his own perceptions and convictions would not necessarily be inconsistent with all the pranks he plays.

I'm disregarding the pitiful 'please help me to be a good parent!' voyager stuff, though
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Old December 29 2012, 07:06 PM   #34
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Re: Do you agree with the concept of the Q?

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Someone said GR originally intended Q to be a V'ger virus or one of Decker and Ilea's new race if not them himself or maybe he was a Starship Captain that breached the barrier and became godlike like Mitchell almost did. He's certainly not entirely Human if at all.
Yup. My fanwank of the Q Continuum was they were a bunch of near-telepaths who became Gary Mitchell Gods.

This would explain how they are omnipotent but are lacking in humanitarian skills.

Later eps of course make this impossible.
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Old December 30 2012, 05:55 AM   #35
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Re: Do you agree with the concept of the Q?

No, I do not.

When the writers needed to stir the pot they could cart him in as a daemon ex machina.

Q's Human Moments Were Redundant. A favorite story is that of the alien who must grasp with what it means to be human. But Trek didn't need yet another turn of this wheel since it has always had characters like Spock and Data as members of the crew. Listening to Q gripe about needing to eat makes for light comedy, but sheds no light on the human condition.

The Message of Q's Character Was Redundant. We learned from Gary Mitchell and Trelane (and how many other characters in TOS?) that power corrupts. We didn't need a slightly older version of Trelane.

Ridiculously Overpowered Characters are Not Interesting. Superman suffers from this problem and has occasionally had his powers scaled down from time to time to keep things interesting. Q, however, is more powerful than most comic book characters.

The Character Does Not Project Evolution of a Species. Q is not more intelligent than humans. He claims a dubiously high IQ, but gets outwitted by Picard on a regular basis, so he's no super-genius. In terms of EQ, Q is far behind the humans he torments. In actuality, the ability to process the amount of data he claimed to be able to process - and by process I mean directly cognize it - he directly apprehended his knowledge (unlike humans who grind out correct answers from calculators) of the universe. A creature like this would see patterns (historical, emotional, moral, mathematical) that no mere human could ever hope to see. Such a creature would have such a sublimity and nuance in thought as a result. And yet the writers imagine that such a power of intellect would only mean (1.) You would get a spoiled brat, (2.) and or a power hungry egomaniac looking to rule the whole universe. Yes, the next big step in evolution on Star Trek is always a big step back, because - as always - power simply corrupts. And Q is absolute power, so how could he be anything but corrupt?
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