A three film comparison/face-off... - Page 2

stj · December 30 2012, 12:51 AM

Prometheus lost my willing suspense of disbelief by instant gross abuse of my credulity and made itself unwatchable. Star Trek was rather forthrightly unpleasant, a fatal flaw in a supposed popcorn movie. Dark Knight Rises was so inadvertently funny it was much more entertaining than the other ones which still had pretensions to competence. Someday someone is going to go all MST3K on DKR and it may revive the series. So, although I clicked on didn't like any of them, that's not the same as finding them all equally unwatchable.

Wereghost · December 30 2012, 01:14 AM

TDKR, despite some flaws. Star Trek as a movie rates somewhere between "very good" to "excellent" for me, which is to say either seven or eight out of ten; it's a big dumb movie that retains the spirit of the show, but it's a big dumb movie.

Prometheus feels more cohesive but is intellectually bankrupt and is therefore never going to move higher than the friend zone as far as I'm concerned.

The Dark Knight Rises at least feels like it has authorial integrity of a kind and never really jumps the shark. It moves the character arcs along in a way that makes sense and provides some surprises of its own, not to mention an impressive and satisfyingly Vaderesque villain.

Set Harth · December 30 2012, 01:29 AM

kirk55555 wrote:

It is officially the worst movie I've ever seen (with The Dark Knight being a very close second).

Then you need to see more movies.

There are movies out there that are so unspeakably bad that by comparison they make even the worst ST film look like the greatest thing human civilization ever produced.

BillJ · December 30 2012, 01:55 AM

kirk55555 wrote:

Well, it almost made me weep, in a bad way. It is officially the worst movie I've ever seen...

Go watch This is 40, then get back to me.

Dream · December 30 2012, 02:04 AM

Star Trek is winning.

Surprise. Surprise.

Warped9 · December 30 2012, 02:37 AM

Dream wrote:

Star Trek is winning.

Surprise. Surprise.

And yet on another site I frequent where there are a lot of Trek fans (including some fans of ST09) the voting results are skewed quite differently. There ST09 is trailing with TDKR out in front.

Interesting differences.

Nerys Myk · December 30 2012, 02:40 AM

Warped9 wrote:

Dream wrote:

Star Trek is winning.

Surprise. Surprise.

And yet on another site I frequent where there are a lot of Trek fans (including some fans of ST09) the voting results are skewed quite differently. There ST09 is trailing with TDKR out in front.

Interesting differences.

I think the difference is this is a Star Trek site. Most people here are Star Trek fans.

Warped9 · December 30 2012, 04:12 AM

I just finished watching TDKR again. It's only the second time I've seen it since it was released in theatre. It reinforces my preferring it over the other two. My only remaining complaint with the film is in regards to the timing of events. It doesn't seem likely that Batman would have been active for only about a year or so before withdrawing after the death of Rachel and Harvey Dent. It seems more likely that he was active longer than the events in TDK, for a few years at least. Bruce seems so much older in TDKR than only eight years would account for.

Even so I still think it's better than the others, and certainly far better than ST09.

Shurik · December 30 2012, 02:01 PM

BillJ wrote:

kirk55555 wrote:

Well, it almost made me weep, in a bad way. It is officially the worst movie I've ever seen...

Go watch This is 40, then get back to me.

Birdemic.

Admiral2 · December 30 2012, 07:05 PM

Set Harth wrote:

Admiral2 wrote:

Star Trek: Still ain't seen it. Still don't intend to

You're missing out. It actually made some people weep ( and in a good way ).

One of the trailers was a young Jim Kirk dumping a classic car off a cliff cause he's, like, troubled or something.

Horseshit.

I'll take my chances missing it.

Warped9 · December 30 2012, 07:13 PM

Admiral2 wrote:

Set Harth wrote:

Admiral2 wrote:

Star Trek: Still ain't seen it. Still don't intend to

You're missing out. It actually made some people weep ( and in a good way ).

One of the trailers was a young Jim Kirk dumping a classic car off a cliff cause he's, like, troubled or something.

Horseshit.

I'll take my chances missing it.

Trust me, you're not missing anything. Actually that one scene is quite representative of the film: driving a classic off a cliff and thoroughly trashing it. Yep, that's what I thought the film was, spot on.

Admiral2 · December 30 2012, 07:18 PM

Warped9 wrote:

Admiral2 wrote:

Set Harth wrote:

You're missing out. It actually made some people weep ( and in a good way ).

One of the trailers was a young Jim Kirk dumping a classic car off a cliff cause he's, like, troubled or something.

Horseshit.

I'll take my chances missing it.

Trust me, you're not missing anything. Actually that one scene is quite representative of the film: driving a classic off a cliff and thoroughly trashing it. Yep, that's what I thought the film was, spot on.

Damn.

Just gave me my new sig, Warped9.

Set Harth · December 30 2012, 07:33 PM

Admiral2 wrote:

Set Harth wrote:

Admiral2 wrote:

Star Trek: Still ain't seen it. Still don't intend to

You're missing out. It actually made some people weep ( and in a good way ).

One of the trailers was a young Jim Kirk dumping a classic car off a cliff cause he's, like, troubled or something.

While listening to the Beastie Boys, who of course will still be popular in the mid-23rd century.

Warped9 wrote:

Actually that one scene is quite representative of the film: driving a classic off a cliff and thoroughly trashing it.

For those not engaging in historical revisionism, the franchise was already trashed, and STXI breathed life back into it. A "representative" scene would thus be the car driven off the cliff except played in reverse.

The Mirrorball Man · December 30 2012, 07:44 PM

Admiral2 wrote:

One of the trailers was a young Jim Kirk dumping a classic car off a cliff cause he's, like, troubled or something.

Horseshit.

I'll take my chances missing it.

Which, despite what some may say, is a perfectly valid way to decide whether a movie appeals to you or not. If you're turned off by the trailers, there's no reason at all to spend time and money watching a movie that's obviously not for you.

Of course, it also means that your opinion about Star Trek isn't worth much.

Deckerd · December 30 2012, 07:47 PM

Star Trek 09 by a mile. Looking forward to the next one.

View Poll Results: Which film did you like best (even with reservations)?
Star Trek (2009)	60	67.42%
Prometheus (2012)	6	6.74%
The Dark Knight Rises (2012)	18	20.22%
I liked them all equally...	1	1.12%
I didn't care for any of them...	4	4.49%
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December 30 2012, 12:51 AM	#16
stj Rear Admiral Location: the real world	Re: A three film comparison/face-off... Prometheus lost my willing suspense of disbelief by instant gross abuse of my credulity and made itself unwatchable. Star Trek was rather forthrightly unpleasant, a fatal flaw in a supposed popcorn movie. Dark Knight Rises was so inadvertently funny it was much more entertaining than the other ones which still had pretensions to competence. Someday someone is going to go all MST3K on DKR and it may revive the series. So, although I clicked on didn't like any of them, that's not the same as finding them all equally unwatchable. __________________ Morals are what you do to other people. Other people, what we call society, are essential to human happiness. Therefore, morals are the path to happiness. My morals, your happiness; your morals, my happiness: It's a fair trade.

December 30 2012, 01:14 AM	#17
Wereghost Commodore Location: Ireland.	Re: A three film comparison/face-off... TDKR, despite some flaws. Star Trek as a movie rates somewhere between "very good" to "excellent" for me, which is to say either seven or eight out of ten; it's a big dumb movie that retains the spirit of the show, but it's a big dumb movie. Prometheus feels more cohesive but is intellectually bankrupt and is therefore never going to move higher than the friend zone as far as I'm concerned. The Dark Knight Rises at least feels like it has authorial integrity of a kind and never really jumps the shark. It moves the character arcs along in a way that makes sense and provides some surprises of its own, not to mention an impressive and satisfyingly Vaderesque villain. __________________ "As long as war is regarded as wicked, it will always have its fascination. When it is looked upon as vulgar, it will cease to be popular." Oscar Wilde

December 30 2012, 02:04 AM	#20
Dream Admiral	Re: A three film comparison/face-off... Star Trek is winning. Surprise. Surprise. __________________ TWoP Forums .

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Warped9 Admiral Location: Brockville, Ontario, Canada	Re: A three film comparison/face-off... I just finished watching TDKR again. It's only the second time I've seen it since it was released in theatre. It reinforces my preferring it over the other two. My only remaining complaint with the film is in regards to the timing of events. It doesn't seem likely that Batman would have been active for only about a year or so before withdrawing after the death of Rachel and Harvey Dent. It seems more likely that he was active longer than the events in TDK, for a few years at least. Bruce seems so much older in TDKR than only eight years would account for. Even so I still think it's better than the others, and certainly far better than ST09. __________________ *STAR TREK:* 1964-1991

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December 30 2012, 07:47 PM	#30
Deckerd Fleet Arse Location: in the Frozen Wastes	Re: A three film comparison/face-off... Star Trek 09 by a mile. Looking forward to the next one. __________________ They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance.