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View Poll Results: How do you rate "The Dark Knight Rises"?
Excellent 147 58.33%
Good 61 24.21%
Fair 26 10.32%
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Old December 29 2012, 03:20 PM   #1126
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It was a bit weird that they 'forgot' about the knee brace. A 2 second shot in the prison of his stretching his knee out with a 'cool, that's better too' look on Bruce's face would have been all that was needed.

As for the suggestion that Bats should've upgraded his suit, I would have liked to see that the other way round where Batman uses all his toys against Bane but gets beat and then just uses his fists at the end. I thought they were going that way when he uses those little flash things in the sewer fight, but it didn't really go any further.
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Old December 29 2012, 03:22 PM   #1127
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It's Batman. He also didn't carry the nuke out of Gotham on his back, he used his Batplane. Beating a villain with gadgets is Batman. Having the humility to recognize that he can't physically beat that guy and has to rely on technology instead wouldn't have turned it into a different film.
Yes, it would have, since Batman's whole arc in this movie is that he has to let go of his death wish in order to defeat Bane. Before that happens, he's brutally defeated, and after that, he wins the day, saves everyone and finally moves on with his life. That's what the movie's about.

"Batman defeats Bane using gadgets" is a different movie, one that I personally feel is considerably less interesting. You may have a different opinion about that, but when all is said and done it's still a different movie.
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Old December 29 2012, 03:46 PM   #1128
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So if it's not her sister, just some chick she hangs out with, like in the film, what's the problem?
In either case, the way this person obviously very important to Selina Kyle (in whatever fashion,) just gets dumped without a thought. Obviously, by itself not a big problem, it's just there are so many.
But the trilogy is about Bruce Wayne's journey, and she really wasn't a part of that story.
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Old December 29 2012, 04:10 PM   #1129
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There were far to many characters in this story that didnt help Waynes journey. Blake and Foley among them.
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Old December 29 2012, 04:27 PM   #1130
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"Batman defeats Bane using gadgets" is a different movie, one that I personally feel is considerably less interesting. You may have a different opinion about that, but when all is said and done it's still a different movie.
But did Batman even actually defeat Bane? It took Selena on the gimmicky Batpod shooting Bane with a cannon to finally put him down.
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Old December 29 2012, 04:29 PM   #1131
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But did Batman even actually defeat Bane? It took Selena on the gimmicky Batpod shooting Bane with a cannon to finally put him down.
He totally had him beat. It was only when Talia turned up that it went to shit.

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Old December 29 2012, 04:31 PM   #1132
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"Batman defeats Bane using gadgets" is a different movie, one that I personally feel is considerably less interesting. You may have a different opinion about that, but when all is said and done it's still a different movie.
But did Batman even actually defeat Bane? It took Selena on the gimmicky Batpod shooting Bane with a cannon to finally put him down.
The difference is academic. In the end, there was a Batman and there was no Bane.
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Old December 29 2012, 04:32 PM   #1133
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"Batman defeats Bane using gadgets" is a different movie, one that I personally feel is considerably less interesting. You may have a different opinion about that, but when all is said and done it's still a different movie.
But did Batman even actually defeat Bane? It took Selena on the gimmicky Batpod shooting Bane with a cannon to finally put him down.
If Talia had not interfered Bane would have been toast. Batman had him beat.
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Old December 29 2012, 04:41 PM   #1134
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There were far to many characters in this story that didnt help Waynes journey. Blake and Foley among them.
Blake is integral to Bruce's choice to fake his own death at the end of the movie. From the start, Bruce has known that he can't be Batman for ever and with the appearance of Blake, Bruce now has the heir he needs to fully move on.

Without Blake, Bruce either dies at the end or survives and continues as Batman.
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Old December 29 2012, 04:51 PM   #1135
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"Batman defeats Bane using gadgets" is a different movie, one that I personally feel is considerably less interesting. You may have a different opinion about that, but when all is said and done it's still a different movie.
But did Batman even actually defeat Bane? It took Selena on the gimmicky Batpod shooting Bane with a cannon to finally put him down.
The difference is academic. In the end, there was a Batman and there was no Bane.
Ah! Then it was okay to have defeated him with a gadget. Actually, for someone ELSE to have defeated him with a gadget, while Batman lay on the floor.
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Old December 29 2012, 05:01 PM   #1136
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So if it's not her sister, just some chick she hangs out with, like in the film, what's the problem?
In either case, the way this person obviously very important to Selina Kyle (in whatever fashion,) just gets dumped without a thought. Obviously, by itself not a big problem, it's just there are so many.
But the trilogy is about Bruce Wayne's journey, and she really wasn't a part of that story.
Selina Kyle is as essential to Bruce Wayne's journey as Robin. Dropping whozis from Kyle's life without a thought is something like not bothering to explain why Blake was hanging around an orphanage.
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Old December 29 2012, 05:03 PM   #1137
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"Batman defeats Bane using gadgets" is a different movie, one that I personally feel is considerably less interesting. You may have a different opinion about that, but when all is said and done it's still a different movie.
But did Batman even actually defeat Bane? It took Selena on the gimmicky Batpod shooting Bane with a cannon to finally put him down.
If Talia had not interfered Bane would have been toast. Batman had him beat.
If Catwoman hadn't interfered there'd be no Bruce, no Bane, no Talia and no Gotham.
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Old December 29 2012, 05:06 PM   #1138
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Ah! Then it was okay to have defeated him with a gadget. Actually, for someone ELSE to have defeated him with a gadget, while Batman lay on the floor.
To be perfectly honest, every time I see Anne Hathaway in tight leather, my critical mind seems to disappear, so I must admit that it may not be as thematically sound as I pretended that it was.
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Old December 29 2012, 05:31 PM   #1139
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But did Batman even actually defeat Bane? It took Selena on the gimmicky Batpod shooting Bane with a cannon to finally put him down.
If Talia had not interfered Bane would have been toast. Batman had him beat.
If Catwoman hadn't interfered there'd be no Bruce, no Bane, no Talia and no Gotham.
Yeah.
I was thinking more in terms of if Batman had Bane in a one on one combat at that point, disregarding everything else.
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Old December 29 2012, 06:15 PM   #1140
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Well, it's easy to see the movie going your way when you ignore aspects of it.

If Bruce had beaten Bane in the sewer we would have had no problems with Bane, Bruice's back, or the bomb. Problem solved!
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