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Old December 29 2012, 07:33 AM   #31
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Re: Should Neelix/Kes have stayed together?

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Come to think of it...

If an Ocampa can only have one baby, why doesn't the population of Ocampa cut in half every five years?
In our universe: Bad writing! The same as the silly nine-year lifespan.

In the Trek Universe: Maybe they had twins, triplets or more. Note that in "Dreadnought" Kes states that she had an uncle named Elrem. How could she have an uncle if the Ocampa could have only one child?

As for Neelix, I think that this relationship should have been possible after Kes dumped him:


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Old December 29 2012, 07:58 AM   #32
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Re: Should Neelix/Kes have stayed together?

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Come to think of it...

If an Ocampa can only have one baby, why doesn't the population of Ocampa cut in half every five years?
In our universe: Bad writing! The same as the silly nine-year lifespan.

In the Trek Universe: Maybe they had twins, triplets or more. Note that in "Dreadnought" Kes states that she had an uncle named Elrem. How could she have an uncle if the Ocampa could have only one child?

As for Neelix, I think that this relationship should have been possible after Kes dumped him:


How?
Samantha Wildman had a husband.
Niomi wasn't born out of thin air.

That would have been a great homecoming: "Hey Dad, Mommy was cheating on you with a Hedgehog right in front of me, knowing you were faithful waiting for us to return all these years."
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Old December 29 2012, 08:57 AM   #33
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Re: Should Neelix/Kes have stayed together?

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In the Trek Universe: Maybe they had twins, triplets or more. Note that in "Dreadnought" Kes states that she had an uncle named Elrem. How could she have an uncle if the Ocampa could have only one child?
Easy, the males have babies too. Everyone has a back pouch. Everyone has a baby.
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Old December 29 2012, 12:49 PM   #34
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Re: Should Neelix/Kes have stayed together?

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Come to think of it...

If an Ocampa can only have one baby, why doesn't the population of Ocampa cut in half every five years?
In our universe: Bad writing! The same as the silly nine-year lifespan.

In the Trek Universe: Maybe they had twins, triplets or more. Note that in "Dreadnought" Kes states that she had an uncle named Elrem. How could she have an uncle if the Ocampa could have only one child?

As for Neelix, I think that this relationship should have been possible after Kes dumped him:


How?
Samantha Wildman had a husband.
Niomi wasn't born out of thin air.

That would have been a great homecoming: "Hey Dad, Mommy was cheating on you with a Hedgehog right in front of me, knowing you were faithful waiting for us to return all these years."
Love conquers aaaaaaaaaaalllllll!

Seriously, it would have explained why Neelix was hanging around the Wildman family as much as he did without making him look like a shady figure.

And I still think they would have been a lovely couple.
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Old December 29 2012, 12:50 PM   #35
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In the Trek Universe: Maybe they had twins, triplets or more. Note that in "Dreadnought" Kes states that she had an uncle named Elrem. How could she have an uncle if the Ocampa could have only one child?
Easy, the males have babies too. Everyone has a back pouch. Everyone has a baby.
Aren't you exaggerating things a little bit now?
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Old December 29 2012, 01:01 PM   #36
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Re: Should Neelix/Kes have stayed together?

I am not exaggerating, I am problem solving.
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Old December 29 2012, 01:15 PM   #37
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I could see that the men come with non-functional back sacks, or empty cavities where the sack should have been, like how men have nonfunctioning nipples... But why differentiate genders if you're not going to oblige to keep the gender understandable.

It's not like Janeway would hook up with an perceptible gender in Workforce and never explan how she interlocks with that persons body with her own womanly bits..
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Old December 29 2012, 01:35 PM   #38
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Why shouldn't both genders gestate like both genders digest? There can still be other gender differences. The males don't have breasts so the feeding role will fall on the females.
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Old December 29 2012, 03:58 PM   #39
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And that's why new genders have to be established/defined.

Andorians have 4 genders, and 8472 has 5.

There are more than just male and female out there, and just because there are two genders in some species by majority, they don't have to be male and female.
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Old December 29 2012, 05:29 PM   #40
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The only argument against the 'Average litter of 3-4' theory is that Kes and her daughter only had one child each. Maybe that's because their mates were human though.
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Old December 30 2012, 12:34 AM   #41
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But wouldn't they be ovulating the same amount of eggs regardless of who their mates were? Or do you think the multiples were all identicals and the blastocysts did not divide when they were half human?
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Old December 30 2012, 12:37 AM   #42
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The Ocampa have one child each couple. Then at the ripe age of 2 weeks the child splits into two. At one month both of them split into two again. Thus making it possible to grow or at least maintain a population.
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Old December 30 2012, 12:48 AM   #43
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Old December 30 2012, 03:06 AM   #44
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Re: Should Neelix/Kes have stayed together?

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In our universe: Bad writing! The same as the silly nine-year lifespan.

In the Trek Universe: Maybe they had twins, triplets or more. Note that in "Dreadnought" Kes states that she had an uncle named Elrem. How could she have an uncle if the Ocampa could have only one child?

As for Neelix, I think that this relationship should have been possible after Kes dumped him:


How?
Samantha Wildman had a husband.
Niomi wasn't born out of thin air.

That would have been a great homecoming: "Hey Dad, Mommy was cheating on you with a Hedgehog right in front of me, knowing you were faithful waiting for us to return all these years."
Love conquers aaaaaaaaaaalllllll!

Seriously, it would have explained why Neelix was hanging around the Wildman family as much as he did without making him look like a shady figure.

And I still think they would have been a lovely couple.
I thought he hung around them cause they were the only family only Voyager?
Didn't he compare himself to Niomi in "Once Upon a Time" and implied he looked after her because he didn't want her to know what's it's like not to grow up with without parents? He was trying to be her surrogate father. It wasn't sexual with Samantha as much as he was just lonely. Everything Neelix did was a act of desperation not to be alone again.

However on the debate about how many children the Ocampa can have, I agree with the point you brought up about Kes mentioning she had an Uncle. Yes, that would imply they are capable of having more than one child at a time.
Good catch.
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Old December 30 2012, 03:18 AM   #45
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Re: Should Neelix/Kes have stayed together?

but it would have been grand if it was sexual, and the TPTB were so ignorant about the potential that they left the "possibility" wide open.

Another theory I heard/invented is that Sam didn't like Naomi much because she resented that fact that this changeling (shut up) was a timespace splitted (splat?) widget and not her actual daughter who is probably on ice in a shoe box sized coffin in sick bay.

Her daughter died.

What ever this creature was, sooner or later it was going to go bad.
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