About that episode with the Klingon D-7 attacking Voyager...

[Vito Corleone]

teacake wrote:

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The real question here is why is Vito Corleone the color of blood.

What can I say, my job gets messy.

[exodus]

Star Grinch wrote:

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The whole concept of Klingon cultists doesn't bother me. The concept of them running into space doesn't bother me. Really the odds that they just happen to run into Voyager does. That does stretch credibility to say the least.

No, it was faith.
Wasn't the whole reason they set out on the journey was that they were looking for the child in their prophecy?
Acts of religion and faith don't have to be proven to be credible.
Wasn't that the point of the ep.?

[Guy Gardener]

The point is wrong.

Jones Town proved that.

Idjits attach faith to ungrateful and poisonous concepts constantly.

For that point to be right, the so called faithful would have to have faith in a concept that benefits them, even though it wouldn't matter if it didn't, since faith is more important than how well the concept treats the faithful.

Job was a punk.

[exodus]

Jones Town nor Job is relievant to the episode or current topic of conversation.

[R. Star]

exodus wrote:

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No, it was faith.
Wasn't the whole reason they set out on the journey was that they were looking for the child in their prophecy?
Acts of religion and faith don't have to be proven to be credible.
Wasn't that the point of the ep.?

It's a good thing they didn't just randomly run into the Enterprise D then... Alexander would be their messiah then, and that would screw up any religion more than it already is.

[teacake]

He's not the Messiah he's just a very whiney boy!

[Guy Gardener]

exodus wrote:

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Jones Town nor Job is relievant to the episode or current topic of conversation.

Jim Jones said "Lets do some thing stupid because it's our religion."

Kholar said "lets do some thing stupid because it's our religion."

Death and permanent exile ain't too different when the actual place they think they're going is some nirvana like local because that's what their religion tells them.

Seems exactly the same.

God gave Job a plague, quite a few if I recall, and he did the same to these Klingons, and in both cases theses victims were celebrating the asshole that whacked them the plague stick because it's part of some mysterious magical plan,

By the way?

The Klingon Captains name was Collar?

As in dog collar?

What the priests wear, as well as what the dogs wear.

The Captain is a leash.

[exodus]

Star Grinch wrote:

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It's a good thing they didn't just randomly run into the Enterprise D then... Alexander would be their messiah then, and that would screw up any religion more than it already is.

[exodus]

Guy Gardener wrote:

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Jim Jones said "Lets do some thing stupid because it's our religion."

Kholar said "lets do some thing stupid because it's our religion."

Death and permanent exile ain't too different when the actual place they think they're going is some nirvana like local because that's what their religion tells them.

Seems exactly the same.

God gave Job a plague, quite a few if I recall, and he did the same to these Klingons, and in both cases theses victims were celebrating the asshole that whacked them the plague stick because it's part of some mysterious magical plan,

By the way?

The Klingon Captains name was Collar?

As in dog collar?

What the priests wear, as well as what the dogs wear.

The Captain is a leash.

You're just rambling.
You know that, right?

[Guy Gardener]

I have a process that after all these years you should be able to read through.

[Dale Sams]

Hell, DS9 recognized Defiant as being a Fed ship immediatly (when it first appears), and it looks much less like a classic Fed ship than Voyager does.

[Guy Gardener]

They recognized the warp geometry, not the hull architecture.

Even if Voyager looks a little like a ship form the 23rd century, it's warp fields and ion trail would be a completely different and unrecognisable technology to such anachronists.

[exodus]

Guy Gardener wrote:

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I have a process that after all these years you should be able to read through.

You're here all the time, I am not.

[exodus]

Guy Gardener wrote:

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They recognized the warp geometry, not the hull architecture.

They could they recognize hull architecture if it was cloaked upon the first time seeing it? After decloaking they would have recognized the blue hue of the necells and insignia as a Starfleet ship.

Guy Gardener wrote:

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They recognized the warp geometry, not the hull architecture.

Even if Voyager looks a little like a ship form the 23rd century, it's warp fields and ion trail would be a completely different and unrecognisable technology to such anachronists.

Isn't warp signature how the Kazon tracked it?
It would be the only ship in the quad. sending out a signal foreign to that region of space. If an alian species could track it, why couldn't Starfleets own officers regardless of it's century. They'd just recalibrate their sensors.

[Guy Gardener]

Tracking warp bubbles is how medium and long range sensors work.

At least with ships.

If they don't have an obvious transponder yelling about who they are and their intentions.

Archers Enterprise faked some other species warp signature when they were going in deep where they weren't supposed to.

You're here all the time, I am not.

And you keep coming back to me.