Favorite blatant contradictions

JirinPanthosa · December 28 2012, 05:17 AM

First of all, Pathfinder. After Message In A Bottle: Night, Timeless, Hope and Fear, they were pretty much 20,000 ly from where they were at the time, and there is no way they could have predicted where they were by assuming an 'average speed of warp 6.2'.

Also they established there was a betazoid other than Suter on the ship in Counterpoint then in Dragon's Teeth: 'What I wouldn't give to have a betazoid on the ship'.

I'm all for episodic scifi, but you'd think in the entire writing offices they had at least one white board.

Edit: Also from Pathfinder.

Janeway "Anyone know this Barcalay?"
Doctor "Yes, he assisted Dr Zimmerman when he was designing me, and one of the times I went crazy a hologram of him tried to convince me I was human. Erm, I mean...no."

Silvercrest · December 28 2012, 05:44 AM

I think my absolute favorite was Harry Kim never getting promoted (even though everyone around him was) but somehow retaining a critical position on the bridge and the command staff. If he's not worthy of promotion, then bring in someone who is.

I would have voted for Janeway supposedly fiddling with her combadge, but I couldn't have said if that was true or not.

Runners-up: these would actually rate higher than the Harry thing except they're not exactly contradictions, just oversights.

First, B'Elanna reminding Tom that he was expelled from Starfleet Academy even though he wasn't. Look, writers, if you're going to keep confusing him with Nick Locarno then don't pretend he's a different guy. Just pay the royalties and move on. It'll be easier on everyone.

Second, making friends with Captain Korok and his transwarp-capable Borg Sphere and never thinking to ask if he could take them home.

Third, Harry blathering about how witty and charming Irina is even though we never see her change expression. The girl must go through a total metamorphosis when she's off camera.

BruntFCA · December 28 2012, 05:57 AM

My favorite is in Unforgettable when Janeway is presented with the same exact situation twice and makes two different decisions, the fact that the episode doesn't even realize it makes it all the funnier.

Lynx · December 28 2012, 10:42 AM

My favorite is in "Time And Again" when The Doctor examine Kes after her vision of the destroyed planet seem unaware of the facts that:

1. Kes and Neelix arrived to the ship in "Caretaker" and joined the crew shortly after.

2. Chakotay and the other Maquis came on board and joined the ship at the same time.

I mean, according to the stardates, there are two months between the events in "Caretaker" and the events in "Time And Again". The Doctor did examine Kes, Chakotay and Torres in "Caretaker" and still he don't seem to remember that they had joined the crew. Now that must have been a serious malfunction in his program.

As for stardates, we also have the stardates in the episodes "Lifesigns" and "Investigations" which are totally wrong. According to those, the events in "Investigations" took place before the events in "Lifesigns" which is impossible.

And we also have "Threshold" which is a whole long contradiction. Paris breaks the threshold for warp speed, almost dies, turns into a lizard, abducts Janeway who is also turned into a lizard and they have lizard “children” and no one talks about it or jokes about it later! It's totally forgotten in later episodes.

teacake · December 28 2012, 11:55 AM

Lynx wrote:

And we also have "Threshold" which is a whole long contradiction. Paris breaks the threshold for warp speed, almost dies, turns into a lizard, abducts Janeway who is also turned into a lizard and they have lizard “children” and no one talks about it or jokes about it later! It's totally forgotten in later episodes.

The crew is terrified to ever mention it again. Remember how Hogan was eaten? He had been reported by Janeway's spies because he made a little jest on that planet about eating lizard eggs to survive. Something about "poached progeny".

Neelix did her bidding and sent him down the tunnel.

R. Star · December 28 2012, 12:50 PM

BruntFCA wrote:

My favorite is in Unforgettable when Janeway is presented with the same exact situation twice and makes two different decisions, the fact that the episode doesn't even realize it makes it all the funnier.

This pretty much sums up Captain Janeway in a nutshell.

King Daniel Into Darkness · December 28 2012, 05:16 PM

Episode #5 "The Cloud"

CHAKOTAY: We have a compliment of 38 photon torpedoes, captain.

JANEWAY: And no way to replace them after they're gone!

They fire off 93+ photon torpedoes over the seven seasons...

Also the TARDIS-like shuttlebay, which usually barely fits the Delta Flyer yet somehow fits not only the Flyer, but a much wider ship too in a suddenly far larger bay, in "Drive"

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JarodRussell · December 28 2012, 05:17 PM

In the pilot, they state they need 70 years to get back home. Then, after only 7 years, they are already home. I felt cheated.

Danny99 · December 28 2012, 05:29 PM

JarodRussell wrote:

In the pilot, they state they need 70 years to get back home. Then, after only 7 years, they are already home. I felt cheated.

I actually would have been shocked if they didn't get home in the finale.

The Mirrorball Man · December 28 2012, 05:56 PM

King Daniel Into Darkness wrote:

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Did you make that? It was extremely entertaining.

King Daniel Into Darkness · December 28 2012, 06:37 PM

The Mirrorball Man wrote:

King Daniel Into Darkness wrote:

See the videos in my sig for a load more, covering all six series and 11 movies!

Did you make that? It was extremely entertaining.

I did, and thank you!

R. Star · December 28 2012, 07:28 PM

Danny99 wrote:

JarodRussell wrote:

In the pilot, they state they need 70 years to get back home. Then, after only 7 years, they are already home. I felt cheated.

I actually would have been shocked if they didn't get home in the finale.

Yeah, that would require thinking outside of the box, which Voyager's writers weren't very adept at.

at Quark's · December 28 2012, 10:12 PM

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Danny99 wrote:

I actually would have been shocked if they didn't get home in the finale.

That would have been a daring end. Still, I would have been disappointed emotionally. ('did I just watch this show for 7 years, only to see them not coming home ? ')

JarodRussell · December 28 2012, 10:24 PM

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Star Grinch wrote:

Danny99 wrote:

I actually would have been shocked if they didn't get home in the finale.

That would have been a daring end.

Like Stargate Universe? Very daring to have the show just cancelled before you can them have returning home.

Lynx · December 28 2012, 10:39 PM

^^
There is a difference.

Voyager was at least entertaining, even when the episodes were bad. Stargate Universe was only dull and boring.

December 28 2012, 05:17 AM	#1
JirinPanthosa Fleet Captain	Favorite blatant contradictions First of all, Pathfinder. After Message In A Bottle: Night, Timeless, Hope and Fear, they were pretty much 20,000 ly from where they were at the time, and there is no way they could have predicted where they were by assuming an 'average speed of warp 6.2'. Also they established there was a betazoid other than Suter on the ship in Counterpoint then in Dragon's Teeth: 'What I wouldn't give to have a betazoid on the ship'. I'm all for episodic scifi, but you'd think in the entire writing offices they had at least one white board. Edit: Also from Pathfinder. Janeway "Anyone know this Barcalay?" Doctor "Yes, he assisted Dr Zimmerman when he was designing me, and one of the times I went crazy a hologram of him tried to convince me I was human. Erm, I mean...no." Last edited by JirinPanthosa; December 28 2012 at 05:36 AM.

December 28 2012, 05:44 AM	#2
Silvercrest Rear Admiral Location: Lost in Moria (Arlington, WA, USA)	Re: Favorite blatant contradictions I think my absolute favorite was Harry Kim never getting promoted (even though everyone around him was) but somehow retaining a critical position on the bridge and the command staff. If he's not worthy of promotion, then bring in someone who is. I would have voted for Janeway supposedly fiddling with her combadge, but I couldn't have said if that was true or not. Runners-up: these would actually rate higher than the Harry thing except they're not exactly contradictions, just oversights. First, B'Elanna reminding Tom that he was expelled from Starfleet Academy even though he wasn't. Look, writers, if you're going to keep confusing him with Nick Locarno then don't pretend he's a different guy. Just pay the royalties and move on. It'll be easier on everyone. Second, making friends with Captain Korok and his transwarp-capable Borg Sphere and never thinking to ask if he could take them home. Third, Harry blathering about how witty and charming Irina is even though we never see her change expression. The girl must go through a total metamorphosis when she's off camera.

December 28 2012, 05:57 AM	#3
BruntFCA Lieutenant Commander Location: The Divine Treasury	Re: Favorite blatant contradictions My favorite is in Unforgettable when Janeway is presented with the same exact situation twice and makes two different decisions, the fact that the episode doesn't even realize it makes it all the funnier. __________________ Fallen leaves realize they are no friend of autumn The view from Hell is blue sky So ominously blue. I daydream until all the blue is gone

December 28 2012, 10:42 AM	#4
Lynx Rear Admiral Location: Lynx Empire	Re: Favorite blatant contradictions My favorite is in "Time And Again" when The Doctor examine Kes after her vision of the destroyed planet seem unaware of the facts that: 1. Kes and Neelix arrived to the ship in "Caretaker" and joined the crew shortly after. 2. Chakotay and the other Maquis came on board and joined the ship at the same time. I mean, according to the stardates, there are two months between the events in "Caretaker" and the events in "Time And Again". The Doctor did examine Kes, Chakotay and Torres in "Caretaker" and still he don't seem to remember that they had joined the crew. Now that must have been a serious malfunction in his program. As for stardates, we also have the stardates in the episodes "Lifesigns" and "Investigations" which are totally wrong. According to those, the events in "Investigations" took place before the events in "Lifesigns" which is impossible. And we also have "Threshold" which is a whole long contradiction. Paris breaks the threshold for warp speed, almost dies, turns into a lizard, abducts Janeway who is also turned into a lizard and they have lizard “children” and no one talks about it or jokes about it later! It's totally forgotten in later episodes. __________________ Who'd let that cat in here? Visit the Kes Website at the new location: http://lynx677.byethost12.com

December 28 2012, 05:16 PM	#7
King Daniel Into Darkness Admiral Location: On holiday. Regular service will resume on July 6.	Re: Favorite blatant contradictions Episode #5 "The Cloud" CHAKOTAY: We have a compliment of 38 photon torpedoes, captain. JANEWAY: And no way to replace them after they're gone! They fire off 93+ photon torpedoes over the seven seasons... Also the TARDIS-like shuttlebay, which usually barely fits the Delta Flyer yet somehow fits not only the Flyer, but a much wider ship too in a suddenly far larger bay, in "Drive" See the videos in my sig for a load more, covering all six series and 11 movies! V V V __________________ Star Trek Imponderables, fun mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors! Ep1, Ep2 and Ep3

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December 28 2012, 05:17 PM	#8
JarodRussell Vice Admiral	Re: Favorite blatant contradictions In the pilot, they state they need 70 years to get back home. Then, after only 7 years, they are already home. I felt cheated. __________________ lol l /\

December 28 2012, 10:39 PM	#15
Lynx Rear Admiral Location: Lynx Empire	Re: Favorite blatant contradictions ^^ There is a difference. Voyager was at least entertaining, even when the episodes were bad. Stargate Universe was only dull and boring. __________________ Who'd let that cat in here? Visit the Kes Website at the new location: http://lynx677.byethost12.com