DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

[OdoWanKenobi]

theenglish wrote:

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I wouldn't even put money down on the guardians even being properly found out after this arc. I can imagine the entire thing ending with the guardian council rewriting the book of OA once again and the GLC none the wiser.

They already have been. B'dg said in the latest issue of Green Lantern that the Corps knows that the Guardians have gone insane and are behind the Third Army.

[Admiral_Young]

Justice League #15: Three issues now post Jim Lee and I continue to be amazed at the difference. The characterization and writing are back to what I expect from Geoff Johns capability. Ivan Reis art work jumps off the page like it did in "Aquaman". I am even enjoying the portrayal of the Clark/Diana relationship. I was expecting it to be tossed in our faces, but it has been anything but, and actually been really charming.

As for the story itself...I wasn't expecting to like "Throne of Atlantis" but again have been pleasantly been surprised by it. I got a sense of epicness about it that was lacking in the first origin arc, which leads us into...

Aquaman #15: I am liking the new artist. I think we've had just one issue or two that has missed the mark in Johns run so far, but this isn't one of them. This issue takes place after the attacks in Justice League (Chapter One of Throne of Atlantis) as we get some nice character moments between Aquaman and Batman as Arthur gives a quick back story on how he became King of Atlantis and the Atlantean mentality. They find Vulko who warns them about the attack, and convinces Arthur to change his brother's mind, we finally see Ocean Master at the end of the issue as he is confronted by Aquaman who attempts to convince him this was a mistake, but it's not exactly going smoothly, and then the trinity (Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman) show up which of course makes things worse and we end on a cliff hanger. As I mentioned in my review of Justice League, I wasn't expecting to like this arc, but I will continue to follow it. I've always been a fan of Atlantis and now it seems like Johns is intertwining them with the greater New 52'Verse.

[C_Miller]

Admiral_Young wrote:

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I dropped Catwoman after issue one as well. Not at all the direction I thought they would take Selina. I much prefer Morrison's version.

Has Morrison ever done anything significant with Catwoman? The only thing I can think of were the first couple issues of Batman Incorporated. And I wouldn't consider that especially significant. It's not like he did anything new with her.

If you were to say Ed Brubaker, Devin Grayson, Chuck Dixon (what Bat-character hasn't he had a definitive run on?), Doug Moench, Jeph Loeb (despite his questionable Marvel work, he is kind of responsible for Selina's more modern portrayal) or hell, even Jonathan Nolan/David Goyer it would make more sense to me.

But at the end of the day, I don't think even Morrison's writing of the character could be called "Morrison's Version."

[Admiral_Young]

I was referring to the first arc of Batman Inc...yeah he hasn't really used Selina since then. I was thinking that he was implying that Bruce was finally ready to take their relationship to the next level upon his return, especially given his thoughts about her in The Return, but Talia's war has obviously distracted him I guess I was really talking about the possibility of their relationship being elevated to the next level. I doubt that will ever really happen though. Bruce has never really had a long lasting love interest in quite a while now.

[Captain Craig]

Admiral_Young wrote:

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Justice League #15: Three issues now post Jim Lee and I continue to be amazed at the difference. The characterization and writing are back to what I expect from Geoff Johns capability. Ivan Reis art work jumps off the page like it did in "Aquaman". I am even enjoying the portrayal of the Clark/Diana relationship. I was expecting it to be tossed in our faces, but it has been anything but, and actually been really charming.

As for the story itself...I wasn't expecting to like "Throne of Atlantis" but again have been pleasantly been surprised by it. I got a sense of epicness about it that was lacking in the first origin arc, which leads us into...

Aquaman #15: I am liking the new artist. I think we've had just one issue or two that has missed the mark in Johns run so far, but this isn't one of them. This issue takes place after the attacks in Justice League (Chapter One of Throne of Atlantis) as we get some nice character moments between Aquaman and Batman as Arthur gives a quick back story on how he became King of Atlantis and the Atlantean mentality. They find Vulko who warns them about the attack, and convinces Arthur to change his brother's mind, we finally see Ocean Master at the end of the issue as he is confronted by Aquaman who attempts to convince him this was a mistake, but it's not exactly going smoothly, and then the trinity (Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman) show up which of course makes things worse and we end on a cliff hanger. As I mentioned in my review of Justice League, I wasn't expecting to like this arc, but I will continue to follow it. I've always been a fan of Atlantis and now it seems like Johns is intertwining them with the greater New 52'Verse.

With some variance I feel the same.
Dropped JL at issue 2 but enjoyed this. The whole glasses bit was funny. I did expect to like Throne of Atlantis and this got it started off well. Something telling here as well, Lois is in trouble, unknown to Superman?, and his comment is "we can't save them all". Clearly caught up in things with Diana it seems.

I've enjoyed every issue of Aquaman and this carryover from JL kept the pace up nicely. Mera got good "screen" time in here as well. It seems this story is essentially an angle on the Morrison story in the 90's where Batman has a plan to defeat everyone should the need arise. Here it's Aquaman who has a plan to attack the surface world AND which people need to be neutralized first(including Batman). So Aquaman gets to be the character everyone will have some issue with this time instead of Bruce.

[C_Miller]

Admiral_Young wrote:

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The Legion of Superheroes is getting a "revamp" in February. Keith Griffen is joining Paul Levitz, what the book really needs is Levitz gone.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/keit...es-revamp.html

And I like that you put revamp in quotes. Seeing as Giffen (along with Levitz) were probably the two biggest Legion writers along with Dan Abnett/Andy Lanning and Jim Shooter.

I like Giffen, but that being said I think the best way for Legion to flourish is to get someone one there with new ideas. That's probably my biggest problem with the New 52 in general.

[Admiral_Young]

I just want someone on Legion of Superheroes who isn't erratic with his story telling and can write arcs with a definitive beginning, middle, and end. My experience with Levitz during his run and prior to the relaunch is that this is not the case with him. Maybe Griffen can help focus the direction of the book. He's been pretty good on "He-Man and the Masters of the Universe" since taking over from James Robinson.

[Trekker4747]

Aquaman was very good this month, will have to get JLA to see the "rest of the story."

[Admiral_Young]

Aquaman #15 was actually "Chapter two" of "The Throne of Atlantis". "Justice League #15 is the first part.

[Trekker4747]

Admiral_Young wrote:

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Aquaman #15 was actually "Chapter two" of "The Throne of Atlantis". "Justice League #15 is the first part.

Gotcha. I need to pick it up just the same, liked the use of the JLA in Aquaman.

[Admiral_Young]

There really isn't that much difference to the two issues, most of the action happens in Aquaman. We just see the initial attacks and the Clark and Diana stuff in Justice League. I was mainly being nitpicky

[Mike Farley]

Justice League really has taken a bump up in quality since Jim Lee left.

[Admiral_Young]

^ Agreed totally. I've picked it back up full time now. The difference is just amazing.

[Agent Richard07]

Happy new year!

[Admiral_Young]

Scott Lobdell is off "Red Hood and the Outlaws" as of issue #18 and will be replaced by James Tynion IV. This is grand news.


http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/01/...-tynion-iv-on/