"The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) - Page 73

JD · December 25 2012, 05:59 AM

jbny67 wrote:

Set Harth wrote:

Reins, not reigns.

In other news Google is now interfering with access to this site as an alleged source of malware.

I got that warning a couple times last night and today.
Rather annoying.

I got it from McAfee.

Captrek · December 26 2012, 04:51 AM

Gaith wrote:

inflatabledalek wrote:

They couldn't have pinned Dent's death on the Joker as he'd already been arrested before Harvey took his fall. Even the GCPD aren't that dumb as to accept a guy in a cell miles away could have done it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henchma...opular_culture

A henchman who then vanished into thin air? The police had the place completely surrounded. The only people there were Gordon, Gordon's wife and children, Dent, and the Batman.

Gaith · December 26 2012, 05:16 AM

In the dead of night, in a chaotic situation, is it credible that a skilled killer could find a way to hide/otherwise evade the fuzz? Hell yes, it is, and doubly so by these movies' standards.

Bottom line is, if Nolan had had our heroes successfully blame Dent's rampage on Joker and his henchmen, no one in the audience would have cried foul, certainly not after the massive leaps in logic seen in the nearly two movies building up to that moment. The deaths were pinned on Batman purely for an "oh, snap!" cliffhanger ending.

Captrek · December 26 2012, 05:24 AM

Bottom line is, if Nolan had had our heroes successfully blame Dent's rampage on Joker and his henchmen, no one in the audience would have cried foul,

Obviously I was offering an in-universe explanation of why the characters made the decision they did. From a real-world perspective, the decision was made for artistic reasons. Nobody's claiming the situation offered no other plausible alternatives for Nolan.

stj · December 26 2012, 06:55 AM

I'm grateful for waiting for this one to show up on Redbox.
It was curiously watchable, in a wow, what ignorant shit is gonna happen next?! way. The writer/director delirium is so blatant that it feels churlish to measure this flick against any standards. Not against normal, intelligible notions of plot, characterization, thematic integrity, physics, chemistry, basic common sense nor familiarity with normal human behavior!

But, the latest float in a parade of nonsense duly arrives every few minutes for our amusement, however unintentional. As a result, this is a much, much livelier viewing experience than the solemn, self-absorbed and pompous predecessors. The only sour note was during Michael Caine's breakdown: The appearance of a seemingly genuine human emotion didn't fit the tone of the movie at all.

Seeing men tear a plane apart, apparently by hand, tips us off in the first few minutes. Catwoman's lesbian girfriend dropped immediately in favor of the Right Man (aka Big Dick,) exploding concrete, "foundations" that don't have an endowment, Alfred's worldwide web of criminal contacts, a football player who really is playing football as the field blows up, and, of course, pretty much every aspect of the plot....the powers of invention of nonsense are unflagging.

I guess that is an achievement of sorts.

Set Harth · December 26 2012, 09:33 PM

stj wrote:

Catwoman's lesbian girfriend

You might be reading too much into it.

MacLeod · December 26 2012, 09:39 PM

JD wrote:

jbny67 wrote:

Set Harth wrote:

Reins, not reigns.

In other news Google is now interfering with access to this site as an alleged source of malware.

I got that warning a couple times last night and today.
Rather annoying.

I got it from McAfee.

It's known about there is a thread in the QSF sub-forum.

RoJoHen · December 26 2012, 09:42 PM

Set Harth wrote:

stj wrote:

Catwoman's lesbian girfriend

You might be reading too much into it.

I always thought that was Selina's little sister/sidekick Holly (don't remember if they gave her a name in TDKR). She's been around in many different incarnations of Catwoman.

Trekker4747 · December 26 2012, 09:51 PM

That was my take too, I didn't read any kind of relationship between the two beyond "partners in crime"/friends.

Set Harth · December 26 2012, 09:59 PM

RoJoHen wrote:

Set Harth wrote:

stj wrote:

Catwoman's lesbian girfriend

You might be reading too much into it.

I always thought that was Selina's little sister/sidekick Holly (don't remember if they gave her a name in TDKR).

The name given in the credits is "Jen".

stj · December 27 2012, 12:26 AM

Given movie genetics, perhaps I should have wondered if she has a sister or some other full, half or step relative. That interpretation works too. But I never saw Catwoman associated with anyone while I followed the comics. But Selina Kyle's willingness to ditch her sister/? for Bruce is still pathetic.

Set Harth · December 27 2012, 03:46 AM

So if it's not her sister, just some chick she hangs out with, like in the film, what's the problem?

tomswift2002 · December 27 2012, 04:00 AM

Just saw the film for the first time. Terrific ending, and I like how Nolan managed to close the storyline of the trilogy, but just leave enough so that if there were any more films in this series, it would still connect.

stj · December 27 2012, 05:18 AM

Set Harth wrote:

So if it's not her sister, just some chick she hangs out with, like in the film, what's the problem?

In either case, the way this person obviously very important to Selina Kyle (in whatever fashion,) just gets dumped without a thought. Obviously, by itself not a big problem, it's just there are so many.

Gaith · December 27 2012, 06:44 AM

^ That, and her only purpose is to spell everything out for the audience.

Cats and blonde watch the looting. Cats looks perturbed.
Blonde: Isn't this what you wanted?
Cats: Not like this.

There's no reason that exchange couldn't have been shown and not told with Hathaway's expression, and no superfluous companion. But Nolan is not one to skimp on the exposition of the perfectly obvious.

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December 26 2012, 05:16 AM	#1083
Gaith Rear Admiral Location: Starfleet Command, The City that Knows How	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) In the dead of night, in a chaotic situation, is it credible that a skilled killer could find a way to hide/otherwise evade the fuzz? Hell yes, it is, and doubly so by these movies' standards. Bottom line is, if Nolan had had our heroes successfully blame Dent's rampage on Joker and his henchmen, no one in the audience would have cried foul, certainly not after the massive leaps in logic seen in the nearly two movies building up to that moment. The deaths were pinned on Batman purely for an "oh, snap!" cliffhanger ending.

December 26 2012, 06:55 AM	#1085
stj Rear Admiral Location: the real world	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) I'm grateful for waiting for this one to show up on Redbox. It was curiously watchable, in a wow, what ignorant shit is gonna happen next?! way. The writer/director delirium is so blatant that it feels churlish to measure this flick against any standards. Not against normal, intelligible notions of plot, characterization, thematic integrity, physics, chemistry, basic common sense nor familiarity with normal human behavior! But, the latest float in a parade of nonsense duly arrives every few minutes for our amusement, however unintentional. As a result, this is a much, much livelier viewing experience than the solemn, self-absorbed and pompous predecessors. The only sour note was during Michael Caine's breakdown: The appearance of a seemingly genuine human emotion didn't fit the tone of the movie at all. Seeing men tear a plane apart, apparently by hand, tips us off in the first few minutes. Catwoman's lesbian girfriend dropped immediately in favor of the Right Man (aka Big Dick,) exploding concrete, "foundations" that don't have an endowment, Alfred's worldwide web of criminal contacts, a football player who really is playing football as the field blows up, and, of course, pretty much every aspect of the plot....the powers of invention of nonsense are unflagging. I guess that is an achievement of sorts. __________________ Morals are what you do to other people. Other people, what we call society, are essential to human happiness. Therefore, morals are the path to happiness. My morals, your happiness; your morals, my happiness: It's a fair trade.

December 26 2012, 09:51 PM	#1089
Trekker4747 To boldly go... Location: Kansas City	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) That was my take too, I didn't read any kind of relationship between the two beyond "partners in crime"/friends. __________________ Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.

December 27 2012, 12:26 AM	#1091
stj Rear Admiral Location: the real world	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) Given movie genetics, perhaps I should have wondered if she has a sister or some other full, half or step relative. That interpretation works too. But I never saw Catwoman associated with anyone while I followed the comics. But Selina Kyle's willingness to ditch her sister/? for Bruce is still pathetic. __________________ Morals are what you do to other people. Other people, what we call society, are essential to human happiness. Therefore, morals are the path to happiness. My morals, your happiness; your morals, my happiness: It's a fair trade.

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December 27 2012, 03:46 AM	#1092
Set Harth Commodore Location: Ekkaia	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) So if it's not her sister, just some chick she hangs out with, like in the film, what's the problem? __________________ Are you casting aspersions on my asparagus?

December 27 2012, 04:00 AM	#1093
tomswift2002 Captain	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) Just saw the film for the first time. Terrific ending, and I like how Nolan managed to close the storyline of the trilogy, but just leave enough so that if there were any more films in this series, it would still connect.

December 27 2012, 06:44 AM	#1095
Gaith Rear Admiral Location: Starfleet Command, The City that Knows How	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) ^ That, and her only purpose is to spell everything out for the audience. Cats and blonde watch the looting. Cats looks perturbed. Blonde: Isn't this what you wanted? Cats: Not like this. There's no reason that exchange couldn't have been shown and not told with Hathaway's expression, and no superfluous companion. But Nolan is not one to skimp on the exposition of the perfectly obvious.