Petition CBS to fix the problems with TNG:S2 Blu. - Page 2

Trekker4747 · December 24 2012, 01:59 AM

NewHorizon wrote:

Thanks for the thinly veiled sarcasm. Nothing is ever achieved without trying. Being a forum full of Star Trek fans, I would have expected far more open minded attitudes than this.

But then there's a such thing as realism. Some people signing an on-line petition is not going to motivate CBS to do anything considering 10,000 petitions demanding companies to do things are started on the internet everyday.

BriGuy · December 24 2012, 06:27 PM

I've seen in-writing petitions handed to elected officials and been ignored.

Too easy for people to "speak out" on the Internet; conversely, it's easy to ignore.

We're lucky we got replacement discs for the first season with its egregious audio issues.

I doubt anything will be done for a handful of fans' nitpicking, pausing and zooming as they look for problems.

R. Star · December 27 2012, 12:07 AM

I dunno, I'm the guy who sees no point in buying the BluRay sets that are just slightly better than my current DVD sets. My Trek experience really isn't going to be enhanced by being able to see their zippers better or slightly beefed up graphics. The cut scenes/outtakes and other extras are interesting, but will end up on youtube anyways.

And as mentioned, I'm sure there will be another edition some years down the road anyways. Lucas seems to have known what he was doing in re-releasing it every 10 years or so with new editing to generate sales.

BillJ · December 27 2012, 12:14 AM

Star Grinch wrote:

I dunno, I'm the guy who sees no point in buying the BluRay sets that are just slightly better than my current DVD sets.

I really wish people would quit saying this, it's simply a lie. Not only is the picture more detailed, the colors are truer and the sound is better.

You don't want to shell out for the upgraded sets? Fine. But it's pretty poor to be spreading out-and-out falsehoods.

R. Star · December 27 2012, 12:26 AM

BillJ wrote:

Star Grinch wrote:

I dunno, I'm the guy who sees no point in buying the BluRay sets that are just slightly better than my current DVD sets.

I really wish people would quit saying this, it's simply a lie. Not only is the picture more detailed, the colors are truer and the sound is better.

You don't want to shell out for the upgraded sets? Fine. But it's pretty poor to be spreading out-and-out falsehoods.

Wow, so all your opinions are facts and anyone who disagrees with your opinion and has a different one is lying now? How objective of you.

As I said, it's slightly better. I'm sure you can point out all the small little details. To me it's quite insignificant and not worth shelling money for another set of DVDs when I have a perfectly good set now. If you want to, that is your prerogative, but it's pretty poor of you to be thinking your views are the only prevailing ones.

BillJ · December 27 2012, 12:30 AM

Star Grinch wrote:

BillJ wrote:

Star Grinch wrote:

I dunno, I'm the guy who sees no point in buying the BluRay sets that are just slightly better than my current DVD sets.

I really wish people would quit saying this, it's simply a lie. Not only is the picture more detailed, the colors are truer and the sound is better.

You don't want to shell out for the upgraded sets? Fine. But it's pretty poor to be spreading out-and-out falsehoods.

Wow, so all your opinions are facts and anyone who disagrees with your opinion and has a different one is lying now? How objective of you.

As I said, it's slightly better. I'm sure you can point out all the small little details. To me it's quite insignificant and not worth shelling money for another set of DVDs when I have a perfectly good set now. If you want to, that is your prerogative, but it's pretty poor of you to be thinking your views are the only prevailing ones.

It's not about opinion, it's about technical fact. Go study up on bit rate during playback and number of pixels on the screen.

R. Star · December 27 2012, 12:34 AM

BillJ wrote:

Star Grinch wrote:

BillJ wrote:

I really wish people would quit saying this, it's simply a lie. Not only is the picture more detailed, the colors are truer and the sound is better.

You don't want to shell out for the upgraded sets? Fine. But it's pretty poor to be spreading out-and-out falsehoods.

Wow, so all your opinions are facts and anyone who disagrees with your opinion and has a different one is lying now? How objective of you.

As I said, it's slightly better. I'm sure you can point out all the small little details. To me it's quite insignificant and not worth shelling money for another set of DVDs when I have a perfectly good set now. If you want to, that is your prerogative, but it's pretty poor of you to be thinking your views are the only prevailing ones.

It's not about opinion, it's about technical fact. Go study up on bit rate during playback and number of pixels on the screen.

Yes, all that leads to slightly better graphics and sounds. If you think that's awesome, good for you. That doesn't mean I'm "lying" because I don't share your opinion of it.

So no, your opinion is not "technical fact."

Trekker4747 · December 27 2012, 02:03 AM

The Blu-Ray discs have almost 2-1/2 times the resolution of the DVDs, which means a sharper picture. A simple look at screencaps will show a sharper picture and more vibrant colors. It IS a matter of technical fact. The Blu-Rays are a SIGNIFICANT improvement in picture quality over the DVDs, sourced from freaking VHS tape!

One look at any of the comparison videos that are out there and you can clearly see the difference in sharpness, quality, and colors. This is no slight improvement. It's night and day.

But, hey, the special effects team for Season-2 made a sliver of a viewscreen clip into the wall, so.

Maxwell Everett · December 27 2012, 02:26 AM

Star Grinch wrote:

I dunno, I'm the guy who sees no point in buying the BluRay sets that are just slightly better than my current DVD sets. My Trek experience really isn't going to be enhanced by being able to see their zippers better or slightly beefed up graphics. The cut scenes/outtakes and other extras are interesting, but will end up on youtube anyways.

And as mentioned, I'm sure there will be another edition some years down the road anyways. Lucas seems to have known what he was doing in re-releasing it every 10 years or so with new editing to generate sales.

It's odd that you bring up Lucas when what he did with the original Star Wars Trilogy on Blu-ray is the antithesis of what is being done with Star Trek: The Next Generation. Lucas didn't go back to the original 35mm camera negatives and re-scan them. He didn't try to re-create the original look of the VFX.

And belittling the quite significant audio/visual improvements found on the TNG Blu-rays in order to justify not buying them is silly and unnecessary. No one here is going to hold it against you if you acknowledged the great improvements the Blu-rays offer yet simply said that your money would be better spent on other more important things right now.

Or in regard to this petition, to simply say, "No thanks, I don't even own a blu-ray player."

Maxwell Everett · December 27 2012, 02:43 AM

Trekker4747 wrote:

The Blu-Ray discs have almost 2-1/2 times the resolution of the DVDs, which means a sharper picture. A simple look at screencaps will show a sharper picture and more vibrant colors. It IS a matter of technical fact. The Blu-Rays are a SIGNIFICANT improvement in picture quality over the DVDs, sourced from freaking VHS tape!

It's actually 4.5 times the resolution of the DVDs! (measuring the active picture area of the Blu-rays, e.g. 1440x1080 vs. 720x480). And the DVDs were sourced from (originally) 1-inch analog reel-to-reel tape (VHS was a half-inch consumer format)... but I wholeheartedly agree with your point. In fact, the perceivable jump in color, contrast and resolution is probably even greater due to the other inherent limitations of the old NTSC composite interlaced tape format.

BeatleJWOL · December 27 2012, 05:38 AM

Well, if you don't own an HDTV, you don't really need Blu-rays, no...

Paper Moon · December 27 2012, 06:27 AM

Wow, folks, calm down. Signing NewHorizon's petition takes a teeny-weeny-eensy bit of effort. I imagine it took him no more than an hour to set it up. He lets it sit and gather what signatures it will and then, after some amount of time, sends it off to CBS. That is, cumulatively, a very small amount of effort expended on this project.

I doubt CBS will redo S2 anytime soon, but they might eventually, and will be more likely to do so at some point if there's a petition with however many fans nicely asking them to.

Furthermore, something like this reminds them that the fans do care about this stuff.

Lastly, this petition is polite. This petition does not say, "I'm a crazy Trekkie and I demand that you fix every last continuity error in episode 28, such as when the Yamato's dedication plate clearly does not say 'Yamato,' but is rather an obvious and lazy reuse of the Enterprise bridge set," à la Comic Book Guy. NewHorizon has written a polite, nice letter saying that we care about this and would appreciate CBS considering bringing S2 up to S1's quality. It's reasonable and is frankly the kind of letter I would write if I was disappointed with a product put out by a local, Mom-and-Pop store.

He freely admits that it probably won't go anywhere, but he wants to give it a shot, because he gives a damn.

Where exactly is the harm in that?

Mutai Sho-Rin · December 27 2012, 01:03 PM

BillJ wrote:

Star Grinch wrote:

I dunno, I'm the guy who sees no point in buying the BluRay sets that are just slightly better than my current DVD sets.

I really wish people would quit saying this, it's simply a lie. Not only is the picture more detailed, the colors are truer and the sound is better.

You don't want to shell out for the upgraded sets? Fine. But it's pretty poor to be spreading out-and-out falsehoods.

BillJ, your treading might close to the flaming line. Nothing Star Grinch says is a lie, not even close. If the story outweighs the image quality for him, it is a reasonable opinion. You need to back off.

TemporalFlux · December 27 2012, 01:41 PM

The only way I see this happening is if the corrected season two is released exclusive to a complete series set (thus encouraging a purchase of it). There would be a lot of people angry at the double dip, though.

I-Am-Prepared! · December 27 2012, 02:07 PM

Wow, why all the vitriol towards the OP for setting up a petition? The quality of the restoration work on S2 is genuinely below-average in a number of ways, certainly compared to S1. I doubt a petition is going to make any difference, but the problems with this Blu-ray release are far from minor - I don't see the harm in fans making their disappointment heard.

December 24 2012, 06:27 PM	#17
BriGuy Rear Admiral Location: Pittsburgh, PA, USA	Re: Petition CBS to fix the problems with TNG:S2 Blu. I've seen in-writing petitions handed to elected officials and been ignored. Too easy for people to "speak out" on the Internet; conversely, it's easy to ignore. We're lucky we got replacement discs for the first season with its egregious audio issues. I doubt anything will be done for a handful of fans' nitpicking, pausing and zooming as they look for problems.

December 27 2012, 12:07 AM	#18
R. Star Commodore Location: Terra 3	Re: Petition CBS to fix the problems with TNG:S2 Blu. I dunno, I'm the guy who sees no point in buying the BluRay sets that are just slightly better than my current DVD sets. My Trek experience really isn't going to be enhanced by being able to see their zippers better or slightly beefed up graphics. The cut scenes/outtakes and other extras are interesting, but will end up on youtube anyways. And as mentioned, I'm sure there will be another edition some years down the road anyways. Lucas seems to have known what he was doing in re-releasing it every 10 years or so with new editing to generate sales. __________________ "I was never a Star Trek fan." J.J. Abrams

December 27 2012, 02:03 AM	#23
Trekker4747 To boldly go... Location: Kansas City	Re: Petition CBS to fix the problems with TNG:S2 Blu. The Blu-Ray discs have almost 2-1/2 times the resolution of the DVDs, which means a sharper picture. A simple look at screencaps will show a sharper picture and more vibrant colors. It IS a matter of technical fact. The Blu-Rays are a SIGNIFICANT improvement in picture quality over the DVDs, sourced from freaking VHS tape! One look at any of the comparison videos that are out there and you can clearly see the difference in sharpness, quality, and colors. This is no slight improvement. It's night and day. But, hey, the special effects team for Season-2 made a sliver of a viewscreen clip into the wall, so. __________________ Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.

December 27 2012, 05:38 AM	#26
BeatleJWOL Lieutenant Commander Location: Winston-Salem, NC	Re: Petition CBS to fix the problems with TNG:S2 Blu. Well, if you don't own an HDTV, you don't really need Blu-rays, no...

December 27 2012, 06:27 AM	#27
Paper Moon Commander	Re: Petition CBS to fix the problems with TNG:S2 Blu. Wow, folks, calm down. Signing NewHorizon's petition takes a teeny-weeny-eensy bit of effort. I imagine it took him no more than an hour to set it up. He lets it sit and gather what signatures it will and then, after some amount of time, sends it off to CBS. That is, cumulatively, a very small amount of effort expended on this project. I doubt CBS will redo S2 anytime soon, but they might eventually, and will be more likely to do so at some point if there's a petition with however many fans nicely asking them to. Furthermore, something like this reminds them that the fans do care about this stuff. Lastly, this petition is polite. This petition does not say, "I'm a crazy Trekkie and I demand that you fix every last continuity error in episode 28, such as when the Yamato's dedication plate clearly does not say 'Yamato,' but is rather an obvious and lazy reuse of the Enterprise bridge set," à la Comic Book Guy. NewHorizon has written a polite, nice letter saying that we care about this and would appreciate CBS considering bringing S2 up to S1's quality. It's reasonable and is frankly the kind of letter I would write if I was disappointed with a product put out by a local, Mom-and-Pop store. He freely admits that it probably won't go anywhere, but he wants to give it a shot, because he gives a damn. Where exactly is the harm in that?

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December 27 2012, 01:41 PM	#29
TemporalFlux Quantum Mechanic Location: The End of Time	Re: Petition CBS to fix the problems with TNG:S2 Blu. The only way I see this happening is if the corrected season two is released exclusive to a complete series set (thus encouraging a purchase of it). There would be a lot of people angry at the double dip, though. __________________ Sliders - The Dimension of Continuity

December 27 2012, 02:07 PM	#30
I-Am-Prepared! Ensign	Re: Petition CBS to fix the problems with TNG:S2 Blu. Wow, why all the vitriol towards the OP for setting up a petition? The quality of the restoration work on S2 is genuinely below-average in a number of ways, certainly compared to S1. I doubt a petition is going to make any difference, but the problems with this Blu-ray release are far from minor - I don't see the harm in fans making their disappointment heard.