New JJ Abrams interview - Page 12

DalekJim · December 26 2012, 07:13 PM

My Name Is Legion wrote:

That a few vocal trekkies on the Internet don't like the new movies. They're on the wrong side of history, as usual.

Strongly disagree. I think the first Abrams film will be looked back on as goofy and dumb, in the same way the first Sam Raimi Spider-Man film is now despite being liked by fans at the time.

Dukhat · December 26 2012, 07:31 PM

As long as Abrams's films are so successful that CBS realizes that Star Trek is still a viable market and still has a chance to get back to television in spite of the high costs to produce a space opera when other types of successful show formats are much cheaper to produce, then his movies can be the goofiest things you've ever seen, and it won't matter. They will have accomplished what 2000's Prime universe Trek was unable to do.

Oh, and it's obvious that you're a hater of nuTrek. That's fine; you're welcome to your opinion. However, making silly remarks like "Jar Jar Trek" is disrespectful to the members here that actually like the new movies, like myself. I am not at all a fan of Enterprise, and I've posted on many an occasion why. However, I've never resorted to childish name-calling to make my points. I suggest you do the same.

DalekJim · December 26 2012, 07:34 PM

It's not disrespectful for me to insult a movie that some people like. If you think it is then report my posts to a moderator or keep your discontent to yourself as it's pointless turning this in to a flame war. It's just a debate about a popcorn movie, chill out.

JarodRussell · December 26 2012, 08:06 PM

DalekJim wrote:

My Name Is Legion wrote:

That a few vocal trekkies on the Internet don't like the new movies. They're on the wrong side of history, as usual.

Strongly disagree. I think the first Abrams film will be looked back on as goofy and dumb, in the same way the first Sam Raimi Spider-Man film is now despite being liked by fans at the time.

Legion likes the feeling of superiority by liking successful things. His posts regarding Trek 2009 have mostly been variations of "I'm a better Trek fan than you because I like the new film". He's not any different from the other guys that say versions of "You're not a true Trek fan if you like the new film", but he thinks he is.
Just look at highlighted elements of the quote above. A few vocal trekkies on the Internet, he stresses the basement dwelling aspect here. Then they are wrong. And they have always been wrong, as usual. Unlike himself, because he likes the new movies and is part of the not so vocal majority, that also has a life outside the Internet.

Devon · December 26 2012, 08:23 PM

DalekJim wrote:

Strongly disagree. I think the first Abrams film will be looked back on as goofy and dumb, in the same way the first Sam Raimi Spider-Man film is now despite being liked by fans at the time.

You wish.

DalekJim · December 26 2012, 08:32 PM

JarodRussell wrote:

Legion likes the feeling of superiority by liking successful things. His posts regarding Trek 2009 have mostly been variations of "I'm a better Trek fan than you because I like the new film". He's not any different from the other guys that say versions of "You're not a true Trek fan if you like the new film", but he thinks he is.
Just look at highlighted elements of the quote above. A few vocal trekkies on the Internet, he stresses the basement dwelling aspect here. Then they are wrong. And they have always been wrong, as usual. Unlike himself, because he likes the new movies and is part of the not so vocal majority, that also has a life outside the Internet.

A very true observation of modern Trek fandom. You get these self-loathing Trekkies that are desperate not to be perceived as geeks or different by the mainstream. They welcome JJ Abrams as it means MTV, E! and the tabloids now care about Star Trek, as if that's a good thing.

Personally, I don't care and am fine to like a show that is perceived by many as nerdy. Star Trek is all about embracing different ideas and the triumph of intellect over fear. I won't be pressured by the mainstream in to thinking that the 2009 film is a clever movie. It isn't. I see it as a Picard in Chain of Command-esque test of my willpower.

"THERE. IS. NO. PLOT!"

Devon · December 26 2012, 08:46 PM

DalekJim wrote:

A very true observation of modern Trek fandom. You get these self-loathing Trekkies that are desperate

"as it's pointless turning this in to a flame war." - DalekJim

not to be perceived as geeks or different by the mainstream. They welcome JJ Abrams as it means MTV, E! and the tabloids now care about Star Trek, as if that's a good thing.

"Star Trek is all about embracing different ideas" - DalekJim

Personally, I don't care and am fine to like a show that is perceived by many as nerdy. Star Trek is all about embracing different ideas.

I won't be pressured by the mainstream in to thinking that the 2009 film is a clever movie. It isn't.

"Star Trek is all about embracing different ideas" - DalekJim

DalekJim · December 26 2012, 09:01 PM

None of those quotes have anything to do with what I said. Appealing to frivolous gossip mags by having Spock and Uhuru get it on isn't opening Trek up to new ideas. It's making it dumb and boring. Some of us like Trek to escape that crap.

LOKAI of CHERON · December 26 2012, 09:10 PM

DalekJim wrote:

...having Spock and Uhuru get it on isn't opening Trek up to new ideas. It's making it dumb and boring.

In your personal vision of Trek. A Spock/Uhuru romance in an alternate timeline is the very embodiment of embracing new ideas for me.

M'Sharak · December 26 2012, 09:11 PM

DalekJim wrote:

... If people are too thick to enjoy a proper Star Trek movie then don't cater to them by giving them something else and slapping the Star Trek name on it. It's just alienated the fans.

Less of this, please.

DalekJim wrote:

JarodRussell wrote:

Legion likes the feeling of superiority ...

A very true observation of modern Trek fandom. You get these self-loathing Trekkies ...

Also less of this.

You could probably drop the repeating "Jar Jar Abrams" gibe, too, and I'll bet no one would miss it.

DalekJim · December 26 2012, 09:13 PM

LOKAI of CHERON wrote:

DalekJim wrote:

...having Spock and Uhuru get it on isn't opening Trek up to new ideas. It's making it dumb and boring.

In your personal vision of Trek. A Spock/Uhuru romance in an alternate timeline is the very embodiment of embracing new ideas for me.

Don't you think giving Spock a traditional love interest spoils the mysterious, alien nature of the character in order to make him a typical Hollywood hero?

M'Sharak wrote:

You could probably drop the repeating "Jar Jar Abrams" gibe, too, and I'll bet no one would miss it.

Not to seem dumb but what forum rule would that be breaking exactly? Unless there's a genuine rule about not merging Star Wars and Star Trek related names together.

KirkusOveractus · December 26 2012, 09:14 PM

Jeez, Abrams says something that almost every Trek Director or Producer has said at any time before a Trek film, and he's being savaged for it?

I could imagine the rush on the box office if he'd say, "We're making this movie for hardcore Star Trek fans and them only."

LOKAI of CHERON · December 26 2012, 09:15 PM

DalekJim wrote:

LOKAI of CHERON wrote:

DalekJim wrote:

...having Spock and Uhuru get it on isn't opening Trek up to new ideas. It's making it dumb and boring.

In your personal vision of Trek. A Spock/Uhuru romance in an alternate timeline is the very embodiment of embracing new ideas for me.

Don't you think giving Spock a traditional love interest spoils the mysterious, alien nature of the character?

No, not at all. In fact, it may open up future avenues to expand on it.

controlfreak · December 26 2012, 09:16 PM

Devon wrote:

DalekJim wrote:

A very true observation of modern Trek fandom. You get these self-loathing Trekkies that are desperate

"as it's pointless turning this in to a flame war." - DalekJim

not to be perceived as geeks or different by the mainstream. They welcome JJ Abrams as it means MTV, E! and the tabloids now care about Star Trek, as if that's a good thing.

"Star Trek is all about embracing different ideas" - DalekJim

Personally, I don't care and am fine to like a show that is perceived by many as nerdy. Star Trek is all about embracing different ideas.

I won't be pressured by the mainstream in to thinking that the 2009 film is a clever movie. It isn't.

"Star Trek is all about embracing different ideas" - DalekJim

Hahahaha... Hilarious because it epitomizes the "True Fan!!"

DalekJim · December 26 2012, 09:18 PM

controlfreak wrote:

Hahahaha... Hilarious because it epitomizes the "True Fan!!"

Different opinions are SO FUNNY.

December 26 2012, 07:31 PM	#167
Dukhat Commodore Location: Baltimore, MD	Re: New JJ Abrams interview As long as Abrams's films are so successful that CBS realizes that Star Trek is still a viable market and still has a chance to get back to television in spite of the high costs to produce a space opera when other types of successful show formats are much cheaper to produce, then his movies can be the goofiest things you've ever seen, and it won't matter. They will have accomplished what 2000's Prime universe Trek was unable to do. Oh, and it's obvious that you're a hater of nuTrek. That's fine; you're welcome to your opinion. However, making silly remarks like "Jar Jar Trek" is disrespectful to the members here that actually like the new movies, like myself. I am not at all a fan of Enterprise, and I've posted on many an occasion why. However, I've never resorted to childish name-calling to make my points. I suggest you do the same. __________________ I never make mistrakes.

December 26 2012, 07:34 PM	#168
DalekJim Fleet Captain Location: Great Britain	Re: New JJ Abrams interview It's not disrespectful for me to insult a movie that some people like. If you think it is then report my posts to a moderator or keep your discontent to yourself as it's pointless turning this in to a flame war. It's just a debate about a popcorn movie, chill out. __________________ The Paradox Machine - My blog "A harp can be as dangerous as a sword, in the right hands." - A Storm of Swords by George R.R. Martin

December 26 2012, 09:01 PM	#173
DalekJim Fleet Captain Location: Great Britain	Re: New JJ Abrams interview None of those quotes have anything to do with what I said. Appealing to frivolous gossip mags by having Spock and Uhuru get it on isn't opening Trek up to new ideas. It's making it dumb and boring. Some of us like Trek to escape that crap. __________________ The Paradox Machine - My blog "A harp can be as dangerous as a sword, in the right hands." - A Storm of Swords by George R.R. Martin

December 26 2012, 09:14 PM	#177
KirkusOveractus Captain Location: Ambler, PA	Re: New JJ Abrams interview Jeez, Abrams says something that almost every Trek Director or Producer has said at any time before a Trek film, and he's being savaged for it? I could imagine the rush on the box office if he'd say, "We're making this movie for hardcore Star Trek fans and them only."

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