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Old December 25 2012, 08:10 AM   #31
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Re: New Empire magazine STID photos & story info [spoilers]

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These five year waits between uninspiring revenge fantasies are not my cup of Earl Grey.
That would make a great sig for a disillusioned TNG fan!
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Old December 25 2012, 11:42 AM   #32
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Enjoy...or not

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These five year waits between uninspiring revenge fantasies are not my cup of Earl Grey.
Well said Doctor Huxtable.
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Old December 25 2012, 12:05 PM   #33
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I'll bet the first nine minutes are the only time Kirk's in command.
We do see Kirk on the Enterprise and in command gold after he has supposedly been stripped of rank and gone rogue to capture Harrison. In promo pics and trailers.
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Old December 25 2012, 12:12 PM   #34
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I suspect it'll go somewhat like this: Kirk's in command and something happens and Kirk loses his command and does something so he regains it in time for the final confrontation with bad guy.
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Old December 25 2012, 03:15 PM   #35
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Relationship between Spock and Surak
In "Journey to Babel", it was learned that the relationship between Spock and Surak became strained after Spock chose to enter into Starfleet. It took a series of events aboard the Enterprise to change the trajectory of the relationship.
Surak was the philosopher who founded the Vulcan philosophy of logic nearly 2000 years ago. Sarek is Spock's father.
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Old December 25 2012, 03:37 PM   #36
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I was tired when I wrote that post. Thanks for catching the mistake.
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Old December 25 2012, 08:43 PM   #37
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These five year waits between uninspiring revenge fantasies are not my cup of Earl Grey.
Earl Grey? This isn't TNG. ( thank god) Kirk's a coffee man.

That its a well done "revenge fantasy" is what matters. And I'm not sure "revenge fantasy" is exactly the term you're looking for.
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Old December 25 2012, 10:50 PM   #38
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I think people should wait and see the film before deciding that it suxxx.
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Old December 25 2012, 11:04 PM   #39
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I think people should wait and see the film before deciding that it suxxx.
Don't think anyone here thinks that it 'suxxx' before seeing it. Though I'm concerned that we seem to be hitting some of the same story points that we saw in the last film.
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Old December 25 2012, 11:07 PM   #40
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Star Trek hits a lot of common story points. They use the same family of characters and each story is some kind of continuation of the same characters in the same universe. The same can be said for every Trek movie that has come out since 1979. Somehow the fact that Abrams is doing it makes it not ok for some people. That's just petty.
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Old December 25 2012, 11:12 PM   #41
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Star Trek hits a lot of common story points. The same can be said for every Trek movie that has come out since 1979. Somehow the fact that Abrams is doing it makes it not ok for some people. That's just petty.
Can you show a sequence of Star Trek movies that go back-to-back-back with the same basic story points (Nemesis, Star Trek 2009 and Star Trek Into Darkness)? Bad guy with an axe to grind that can make a big bang...

It could be a great film, it could be a shitty film. If acknowledging that concept makes me petty, so be it.
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Old December 25 2012, 11:20 PM   #42
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How about Star Trek 2-4.. Spock gets killed, brought back to live, saves whales.. Kirk dealing with old age in pretty much all of them.. How about every super villain Kirk has fought in every film? How about Picard dealing with his loneliness and solitude being a ship captain? I could go on and on. I know nothing about the plot of this film so I can't conclude that the plot is the same as the 2009 film. Maybe you've already seen the film and can make that conclusion? And yes, of course you're being petty. Extremely. Carry on.
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Old December 25 2012, 11:28 PM   #43
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How about Star Trek 2-4.. Spock gets killed, brought back to live, saves whales.. Kirk dealing with old age in pretty much all of them.. How about every super villain Kirk has fought in every film? How about Picard dealing with his loneliness and solitude being a ship captain? I could go on and on. I know nothing about the plot of this film so I can't conclude that the plot is the same as the 2009 film. Maybe you've already seen the film and can make that conclusion? And yes, of course you're being petty. Extremely. Carry on.
Have you even seen the first ten films? Based on your description above, I'd say no. Might want to correct that before coming into a discussion that involves them...

TMP - Searching for its creator.
TWOK - Bad guy with an axe to grind who acquires the ability to make a big bang.
TSfS - Bad guy trying to acquire weapon for his government.
TVH - Probe comes looking for whales.
TFF - Spock's brother searching for God.
TUC - Conspiracy flick with the two sides working together so they can continue to hate each other.

Need I go on?
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Old December 26 2012, 12:18 AM   #44
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Somehow the fact that Abrams is doing it makes it not ok for some people. That's just petty.
It's not about Abrams. It's about recentness. A decade ago, people were trashing Enterprise just as viciously. A quarter-century ago, there was widespread outrage about TNG. Before that it was the TOS movies, and before that it was the animated series. There have always been Trek fans who are vehemently hostile to whatever the newest incarnation of the franchise is, unable to tolerate the fact that it's different from what existed before. Yet the differences or continuity errors they denounce as unprecedented betrayals and corruptions are really no greater than the differences and continuity errors that have been part of the franchise all along. I've seen the cycle repeat over and over, so I can tell you -- whatever specific charges they level against the individual work or its individual creators are just the excuse. The real reason is that they're just uncomfortable with novelty. Which is sad, really, because Star Trek is supposed to be about facing the new and different with curiosity and wonder.
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Old December 26 2012, 12:54 AM   #45
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TMP - Bad guy with an axe to grind with the ability to make a big bang.
TWOK - Bad guy with an axe to grind who acquires the ability to make a big bang.
TSfS - Bad guy trying to acquire weapon for his government. To make a big bang. also, has an axe to grind with Kirk.
TVH - Probe with the ability to make a big bang comes looking for whales. Has an axe to grind with Earth, since the whales are all dead.
TFF - Spock's brother searching for God to make a big bang. Has an axe to grind.
TUC - Klingon General with an axe to grind with the ability to make a big bang.
GEN - Scientist with an axe to grind with the ability to make a big bang.
FC - Borg have the ability to make a big bang THROUGH TIME! Picard has an axe to grind with them.
INS - Rua'fo has an axe to grind with his former people. Wants to wipe them out to make a big bang.
NEM - Picard's clone has an axe to grind with Romulus and Earth. Has the ability to make a big bang.
ST09 - Nero has an axe to grind with the past. Makes a big bang. Dies trying to make another.
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