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Old December 17 2012, 10:36 AM   #31
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Re: Spock Lying

The two aren't necessarily connected. As long as his mother took part in his upbringing, he might have been learning lying in ways a boy with two Vulcan parents never would.

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Old December 17 2012, 11:01 AM   #32
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The myth of Vulcans not being able to lie went conclusively out of the window with Tuvok, a full Vulcan. Since he did infiltrate the Maquis. I'd imagine lying comes with the job.

I'd say Vulcans can indeed lie with the best of them. Hell, they probably are one of the best liars in the galaxy, since they have so much more control over their emotions. That probably eliminates all those little "tells" that we humans have.
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Old December 17 2012, 01:17 PM   #33
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Any Vulcan would of course laugh the myth out of court outright; it's just that they aren't into laughing.

"Not lying" is an impossibility, after all. Every statement issued is only a partial truth, and will be misunderstood anyway: it is not possible to make a statement that would not be untrue at a great many levels. Keeping your mouth shut doesn't help, as omission of truths would also count as furthering an agenda through perversion of truth.

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Old December 18 2012, 12:22 AM   #34
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I brought it up before - buit as to half-vulcans being able to lie, and full Vulcans not' there's Spock's father, Sarek, who lied to his wife (Amanda), Spock, and James T. Kirk directly - to conceal his heart condition in the TOS episode "Journey To Babel".

There's no getting around the fact, Vulcans (full, half, quarter, whatever) DO lie if they feel there is a logical reason to do so.
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Old December 18 2012, 05:21 PM   #35
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Perhaps we assume that Vulcans can't lie based on the Romulan Commander's and Spock's conversation in The Enterprise Incident:

"There's a well-known saying – or is it a myth – that Vulcans are incapable of lying."
"It is no myth."
- Romulan Commander and Spock, as she interrogates him


Of course, we now know that Spock was lying at the time...
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Old December 18 2012, 06:04 PM   #36
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Yea, in courtmarshel he does tell the computer that vulcans are incapable of lying which could be a clever way of saying to themselves as mentioned but in another episode he blatently lies to s high official telling him the transporter had been fixed and he would like the opportunity to test it which was a plain flat out lie. (though written by shari Lewis in the third season) I always liked to believe that Vulcans were mythologically hard wired not to lie and couldn't if they wanted to, but lately I thought it was just a latent law that Vulcan passed illegalizing lying to insure themselves from destroying themselves during and after their savage thousand years of history.
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Old December 18 2012, 08:50 PM   #37
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Didn't Robin Curtis play a duplicitious Vulcan in "Gambit"?
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Old December 18 2012, 08:58 PM   #38
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Spock lied to the Klingons in Errand of Mercy, unless he is a trader in trillium and kevas.
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Old December 18 2012, 10:38 PM   #39
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in another episode he blatently lies to a high official telling him the transporter had been fixed and he would like the opportunity to test it which was a plain flat out lie. (though written by shari Lewis in the third season)
I don't remember this event. It happened in Lights of Zetar?
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Old December 21 2012, 03:05 PM   #40
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I think it would be from Mark of Gideon
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Old December 24 2012, 07:27 PM   #41
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Spock was able to fool the Federation computers and the Klingon mind sifter which means he's untrustworthy and potentially unethically treacherous and/or dangerous or even a Romulan spy or double agent. He did sell out TOS after all.

Kor interesting observation and point on the other hand that humans and Klingons are very similar as a species seems to indicate that we may be all Klingons and not even know it.
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Old December 25 2012, 05:24 AM   #42
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Perhaps we assume that Vulcans can't lie based on the Romulan Commander's and Spock's conversation in The Enterprise Incident:

"There's a well-known saying – or is it a myth – that Vulcans are incapable of lying."
"It is no myth."
- Romulan Commander and Spock, as she interrogates him


Of course, we now know that Spock was lying at the time...
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