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Old December 22 2012, 04:48 AM   #31
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Re: If big budget/shiny SFX space opera is out of the question...

The OP's proposal is reasonably similar to the original concept for Enterprise.
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Old December 22 2012, 08:08 PM   #32
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Re: If big budget/shiny SFX space opera is out of the question...

Some fan films do Trek differently than Tos with no budget and I would watch them week to week.
Handel was very successful doing oratorios with no sets and no production values at all. He found he didn't need them. The story and the music was enough.
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Old December 23 2012, 02:23 AM   #33
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Some fan films do Trek differently than Tos with no budget and I would watch them week to week.
Handel was very successful doing oratorios with no sets and no production values at all. He found he didn't need them. The story and the music was enough.
Fan Films do 1 episode a year at best since they're all volunteers. Try to do even 13 episodes a year and you need to pay people and suddenly you now have a budget.
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Old December 23 2012, 12:47 PM   #34
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1966-2005 Star Trek is dead. You're not going to see it, or anything based on it anymore.
Unless you read the books. Which a lot of us do.
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Old December 23 2012, 12:50 PM   #35
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The OP's proposal is reasonably similar to the original concept for Enterprise.
Enterprise was always about actually going out there, right? My idea is based more on something Earth centered. Not actually visiting other worlds, but seeing what First Contact did on Earth itself. You could start about 5 years after First Contact, and see what's happening on Earth.
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Old December 23 2012, 06:55 PM   #36
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The OP's proposal is reasonably similar to the original concept for Enterprise.
Enterprise was always about actually going out there, right? My idea is based more on something Earth centered. Not actually visiting other worlds, but seeing what First Contact did on Earth itself. You could start about 5 years after First Contact, and see what's happening on Earth.
The first season of ENT was supposed to be on earth before the ship left.
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Old December 23 2012, 07:59 PM   #37
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The OP's proposal is reasonably similar to the original concept for Enterprise.
Enterprise was always about actually going out there, right? My idea is based more on something Earth centered. Not actually visiting other worlds, but seeing what First Contact did on Earth itself. You could start about 5 years after First Contact, and see what's happening on Earth.
The first season of ENT was supposed to be on earth before the ship left.

Really? I never knew that. Wished they did that, would have been very interesting IMO.
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Old December 23 2012, 08:22 PM   #38
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Re: If big budget/shiny SFX space opera is out of the question...

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1966-2005 Star Trek is dead. You're not going to see it, or anything based on it anymore.
Unless you read the books. Which a lot of us do.
Bully for you. However book sales does not a television series make.

Nor has anything in any book written actually "happened".

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The OP's proposal is reasonably similar to the original concept for Enterprise.
Enterprise was always about actually going out there, right? My idea is based more on something Earth centered. Not actually visiting other worlds, but seeing what First Contact did on Earth itself. You could start about 5 years after First Contact, and see what's happening on Earth.
Trade disputes.
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Old December 23 2012, 08:43 PM   #39
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My idea is based more on something Earth centered.
The first season of ENT was supposed to be on earth before the ship left.
An idea they dropped at some point. DS9 was original going to be based almost exclusively aboard the station, to continue producing interesting stories, they changed to the station being the "home-base."

"Earth slowly becoming a global community," it sounds overly political. So does "Vulcans guiding humanity." Star Trek has featured politics of course, but that has never been the core of any of the series. Too many story lines centered on "building the interstellar coalition" is one of the reasons ST: Enterprise's ratings simply died.

Usually Mage, when pitching a new idea to a network, you'd walking with a few sample script outlines (at least). Who would be your major characters? Where is the center of your story, the politics, the Vulcans, rebuilding the war torn areas, Cochrane? You can't have the story too segmented, can't jump around too much.

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I can see how the Post Atomic horrors wouldn't be entertaining to watch, but since it's a part of canon, some fans will bitch and whine if it wasn't in there.
A nice work around for that would be ... I figure that just like "world wars" of the past, the third world war effected only certain geographical portions of the Earth and it's population.The major impact for the world in general would be the failure of international infrastructure and commerce.

Six and a half percent of Humans died, leaving over ninety-three percent alive, most of them physically removed from the direct effects of war and combat. The "post atomic horrors" would involve a fraction of the Human race. Perhaps only a handful of cities.


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Old December 24 2012, 12:50 AM   #40
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A show about the invention of the replicator and how it changes the world would be fascinating. Evil corporations and dictatorships could provide the conflict.
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Old December 24 2012, 07:21 PM   #41
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Campy can be very similar to cheap.
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Old December 25 2012, 04:26 AM   #42
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A show about the invention of the replicator and how it changes the world would be fascinating. Evil corporations and dictatorships could provide the conflict.
But it wouldn't be Star Trek. I watch the show because I want to see spaceships and aliens and weird shit going on out in the cosmos.
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Old December 25 2012, 08:39 AM   #43
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A show about the invention of the replicator and how it changes the world would be fascinating. Evil corporations and dictatorships could provide the conflict.
A show, no. An episode maybe.

Like the episode of ENT about the guy who invented the transporter.

Now, if the replicator was originally invented by a partnership of evil corporations and dictatorships, that would be interesting.

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Old December 25 2012, 03:13 PM   #44
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A show about the invention of the replicator and how it changes the world would be fascinating. Evil corporations and dictatorships could provide the conflict.
But it wouldn't be Star Trek. I watch the show because I want to see spaceships and aliens and weird shit going on out in the cosmos.
Star Trek was a show that was supposed to show us society's issues through a big layer of make-up and special effects. But that make-up, those effects, they weren't what the show was about. And that's why I personally feel that a show set a few years after First Contact, showing how humanity is leaving things like racial issues, global war, poverty and general useless behaviour we find so fantastic these days behind them.
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Old December 25 2012, 06:53 PM   #45
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A show about the invention of the replicator and how it changes the world would be fascinating. Evil corporations and dictatorships could provide the conflict.
But it wouldn't be Star Trek. I watch the show because I want to see spaceships and aliens and weird shit going on out in the cosmos.
Star Trek was a show that was supposed to show us society's issues...
Not really. First and foremost, Trek is an adventure series in space. Society issues, modern day allegories, etc.,--all that stuff is really incidental. It's not what really drives Trek, although it is an often cited and hailed aspect of it. When looked in its entirety, the bulk of Trek stories do consist of spaceships and weird shit going on out in the cosmos.
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