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View Poll Results: How would you grade The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey?
A+ 32 16.58%
A 52 26.94%
A- 38 19.69%
B+ 28 14.51%
B 15 7.77%
B- 9 4.66%
C+ 1 0.52%
C 8 4.15%
C- 2 1.04%
D+ 3 1.55%
D 1 0.52%
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Old December 22 2012, 11:50 PM   #316
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The reason to build up the Azog character is to have an actual leader of the Orcs in the Battle of Five Armies, rather than some random captain. Just like they built up that yellow deformed Orc captain in ROTK. In a book you can just fight a wave of enemies, but in a visual medium you need a recognizable leader to defeat to signify the victory.
Isn't the Goblin commander at the Battle of the Five Armies Bolg, son of Azog?
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Old December 23 2012, 12:15 AM   #317
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The reason to build up the Azog character is to have an actual leader of the Orcs in the Battle of Five Armies, rather than some random captain. Just like they built up that yellow deformed Orc captain in ROTK. In a book you can just fight a wave of enemies, but in a visual medium you need a recognizable leader to defeat to signify the victory.
Isn't the Goblin commander at the Battle of the Five Armies Bolg, son of Azog?
Yep. That's why I was kind of confused that they used Azog as the recurring antagonist instead of Bolg. Bolg still could have fulfilled the "death to the line of Durin!" roll that Azog had in AUJ, just have him swear vengeance for the death of his father Azog at the battle depicted in the flashbacks.
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Old December 23 2012, 05:05 AM   #318
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I didn't realize he was a preexisting character. I thought they just made him up completely for the movie.
I just looked him up on the LOTR wiki, and for anyone else like me who doesn't know his history, he was killed in the battle outside of Moria that the movie flashed back to.
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Old December 23 2012, 05:25 AM   #319
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...Just like they built up that yellow deformed Orc captain in ROTK....
Incidentally, Gothmog was a named character in Lord of the Rings.

This example highlights one of the pitfalls in making it personal. By focusing on Gothmog's effort to kill some hero or other and his ensuing quietus, they disappeared pretty much the battle, turning an epic conflict into a duel. Hollywood apparently finds it mandatory to "make it personal" but this is very often not the best artistic choice to make.
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Old December 23 2012, 05:38 AM   #320
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Hollywood has been making conflicts that shouldn't be personnel for a long time. It's in films and TV shows.

One of the more extreme forms of this where a cop is threatened by a serial killer. From watching crime documentaries, I learned that the killer may taunt the police, but they never make it personnel. I understand though why they do it. Procedural dramas, like Zero Dark Thirty, are rare and, if not written and directed well, they can descend to unplumbed depths of awfulness. And, the audience needs a person to latch onto, to root for, and this is harder to do in an ensemble piece where none of the characters really stand out.
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Old December 23 2012, 10:43 AM   #321
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Hollywood apparently finds it mandatory to "make it personal" but this is very often not the best artistic choice to make.
Really, it's simple: movies are about characters, not about abstract ideas. Hollywood does that because it works and yes, because more often than not, it's the best artistic choice to make.
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Old December 23 2012, 12:25 PM   #322
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I noticed that, too. If they hadn't added Galadriel, there wouldn't have been a single female speaking role in the movie!
Come on. They made the orcs and goblins white-colored. That wasn't politically correct enough?
In all honesty, Tolkien didn't do "politically correct" very well. The great debate about racist and sexist elements in his works (not to mention subliminal conservative propaganda) has long become legendary.
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Old December 23 2012, 02:48 PM   #323
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Old December 23 2012, 03:04 PM   #324
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The reason to build up the Azog character is to have an actual leader of the Orcs in the Battle of Five Armies, rather than some random captain. Just like they built up that yellow deformed Orc captain in ROTK. In a book you can just fight a wave of enemies, but in a visual medium you need a recognizable leader to defeat to signify the victory.
Isn't the Goblin commander at the Battle of the Five Armies Bolg, son of Azog?
Yep. That's why I was kind of confused that they used Azog as the recurring antagonist instead of Bolg. Bolg still could have fulfilled the "death to the line of Durin!" roll that Azog had in AUJ, just have him swear vengeance for the death of his father Azog at the battle depicted in the flashbacks.
I think there are two reasons.

1. Having it a generational thing just makes it look petty. Thorin deserves his revenge, not to kill the guy who happens to be related to the guy who killed his grandfather.

2. Azog the Defiler is a much, much, much cooler name.

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Old December 23 2012, 08:12 PM   #325
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My son and I saw it yesterday in glorious IMAX 3D.

We loved it.

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Old December 23 2012, 09:26 PM   #326
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Isn't the Goblin commander at the Battle of the Five Armies Bolg, son of Azog?
Yep. That's why I was kind of confused that they used Azog as the recurring antagonist instead of Bolg. Bolg still could have fulfilled the "death to the line of Durin!" roll that Azog had in AUJ, just have him swear vengeance for the death of his father Azog at the battle depicted in the flashbacks.
I think there are two reasons.

1. Having it a generational thing just makes it look petty. Thorin deserves his revenge, not to kill the guy who happens to be related to the guy who killed his grandfather.

2. Azog the Defiler is a much, much, much cooler name.
Good point on the first one. And yeah, that's true enough, Azog is a catchier "villain name" than Bolg.
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Old December 23 2012, 10:28 PM   #327
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I believe the Eagles are direct servants of god, like the Wizards, and so only help the heroes enough to get them to the next stage of their development.
The eagles actually are Manwe's creatures. Manwe is the head honcho of the Valar.
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Old December 23 2012, 10:38 PM   #328
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the Valar being the angels, right? I'm vague on my memory, there's Illuvatar/God and then the big angels, of which Morgoroth and Sauron were ones, and then the smaller angels, like Gandalf and Saruman? Or was Sauron one of the lesser angels as well?
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the Valar being the angels, right? I'm vague on my memory, there's Illuvatar/God and then the big angels, of which Morgoroth and Sauron were ones, and then the smaller angels, like Gandalf and Saruman? Or was Sauron one of the lesser angels as well?
There's Eru/Illuvatar, who is basically the Christian God (although no one seems to worship him), the Valar are basically Greek Gods, and yes, Morgoth was one of them, and the Maiar are the equivalent of angels, and Gandalf, Saruman and Sauron were originally Maiar.
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I saw it in glorious digital 2D.

Right as the world was supposed to be ending.
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