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Old December 22 2012, 12:54 AM   #841
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Re: La-La Land to release 15-disc original series score set

Christopher's thoughtful help got me to thinking how important "curation" is.

Regardless of how media is delivered, it still takes a human to digest it, analyze it, and index it in only the way a brain can index things.

I suppose there is a programmatic way, a wiki, perhaps, that could do a pretty good job at accepting questions and delivering answers--

hey, what's that cue in "Space Seed" as Khan delivers his "will you open your heart" speech to McGivers?*

--but I would need someone to lower a "Teacher" on my head to figure it out.

Point is, I have no point. It is indeed a Merry Christmas.

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Old December 22 2012, 01:03 AM   #842
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Hmm, if all the cue sheets for all the episodes were put online, then it would be easy enough to construct a database that cross-linked the scenes with the cue titles. The Music of Star Trek includes a few cue sheets from tracked episodes already, so that's a start.
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Old December 22 2012, 01:37 AM   #843
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Hmm, if all the cue sheets for all the episodes were put online, then it would be easy enough to construct a database that cross-linked the scenes with the cue titles. The Music of Star Trek includes a few cue sheets from tracked episodes already, so that's a start.
I'd love to have the time (and tools) to assemble playlists for "tracked" episodes -- that would be a blast to listen to.

Actually, I probably have all the tools. If only I had the time...
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Old December 22 2012, 01:41 AM   #844
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Perhaps you aren't aware that several months ago, Tor Books began making all its e-books (including my own Only Superhuman) available DRM-free, which, if I understand it correctly, means you do actually own it and can make a backup copy, lend it to a friend, etc.
Even though it's DRM-free, I'd be very surprised if I actually OWNED the copy.

Which reminds me. I've been planning on buying an e-copy (I already have the hardcover) of Only Superhuman to read over the holiday break. I'll actually try and track down & read the licensing agreement and report back. Frankly, I'll be gobsmacked if it turns out I actually own it, rather than just license it.
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Old December 22 2012, 02:19 AM   #845
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Perhaps you aren't aware that several months ago, Tor Books began making all its e-books (including my own Only Superhuman) available DRM-free, which, if I understand it correctly, means you do actually own it and can make a backup copy, lend it to a friend, etc.
Even though it's DRM-free, I'd be very surprised if I actually OWNED the copy.

Which reminds me. I've been planning on buying an e-copy (I already have the hardcover) of Only Superhuman to read over the holiday break. I'll actually try and track down & read the licensing agreement and report back. Frankly, I'll be gobsmacked if it turns out I actually own it, rather than just license it.
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Old December 22 2012, 03:16 AM   #846
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Re: La-La Land to release 15-disc original series score set

We're getting down to what ownership and even "is-ness" is, here. I feel like I'm in the dorm lounge at 1:00 in the morning again.

Owning is being able to prevent someone else from having or using "your" thing. Does it also mean being able to use it however you want? Maybe so. I'm processing all this as I write, which isn't the smartest thing to do.
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Old December 22 2012, 05:15 AM   #847
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But how about that Hideous Balok? Huh? Or the season 3 re-recordings of Where No Man Has Gone Before? Amirite?
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Old December 22 2012, 05:42 AM   #848
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Just listened to Season 2 Disc 3, and it was the first disc of the set thus far I found myself getting impatient with. Nothing to do with the disc itself, but since so much of the Mirror Mirror music is adapted from the music for Balance of Terror it was already feeling stale, and then having library cues of that same material and from By Any Other Name on the same disc right after those partial scores, it was too repetitive so I ejected it.

On Disc 4 now and all is right with the world.
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Old December 22 2012, 06:47 AM   #849
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Still, downloads are easily threatened by storage failure (internal/external)--literally in the blink of an eye, it can all vanish or become corrupted beyond repair and/or use. Of course if someone is thinking you can back up the downloads on a CD...then you would have been better off buying the box set anyway.
I'm thinking that I can back up downloads onto multiple machines in my house, as well as at least two places on the Internet, with relative ease. Whereas I can't back up the CDs without copying them to my computer first, and they can disappear just as quickly in the event of a robbery or house fire.
I think you have a greater chance of drive or online storage failure than a fire or robbery.To be honest, in the past decade, I've heard more complaints of data loss and/or corruption than house fires or robberies, so the odds that CD set being a poor investment drop to a considerable degree.

All of that aside, this is a one time investment with neverending benefits no matter what you end up doing with the data; its not like the old, expensive Time-Life music cd subscriptions for allegedly "complete" artist collections where one would easily spend hundreds on a few discs of material--most previously released and available just about anywhere.

The TOS set is a one of a kind--likely once in a lifetime release (the generations with a deep appreciation for TOS ages by the day, andd not many Gen Y youngsters care at all), so this could be as "Holy Grail" a media release as we will ever see.
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Old December 22 2012, 02:57 PM   #850
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I think you have a greater chance of drive or online storage failure than a fire or robbery.To be honest, in the past decade, I've heard more complaints of data loss and/or corruption than house fires or robberies, so the odds that CD set being a poor investment drop to a considerable degree.
But there'd be no data loss if those people had remembered to make backup copies, which is what you're always supposed to do with all your data. It's not the fault of the medium if the users failed to take common-sense precautions.

It's not a zero-sum choice between one or the other. There are virtues to both and drawbacks to both. Which is why it's good to have both, because the virtues of one can make up for the drawbacks of the other.
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Old December 22 2012, 06:31 PM   #851
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Received this treasure trove last Tuesday and have been listening through on my hour long commutes almost every work day since. The music is enabling me to boldly go through the traffic! So impressed with the presentation, audio quality, and comprehensiveness of this set. Such a pleasure to listen to the complete scores of my favorites, "The Enemy Within" and "The Doomsday Machine" by the inimitable Sol Kaplan. As well as "Metamorphosis" and "The Empath" by George Duning and all the marvelous scores and library cues by Courage, Steiner, et. al. The raw emotion expressed through these scores is staggering. Again, thanks to all that have been instrumental in all aspects of the release! Next time I watch an episode, I'm sure I will better mentally identify most if not all the music cues.
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Old December 22 2012, 10:00 PM   #852
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With respect to the emotionality of the music: It would be interesting to learn how people who'd never seen the original TV series might react to some of these cues heard in isolation.

George Duning in his two great season-3 scores for Empath and Is There composed some of the best music of the entire series on the basis of his response to the scripts as filmed; possibly he read earlier versions as well. And those scripts were just weird, even for Star Trek.* I have meditated about this for some 30 years. How was it that scripts that some people would call outright stinkers elicited such music?**

*An early version of the Is There script that I saw, during my afternoon at the USC library's George Duning Star Trek archive in July 1985, was even weirder; it included (in the opening transporter-room scene) a crewman with a phaser rifle being instructed by Kirk to shoot anyone who accidentally viewed the Medusan.

**There are some Empath-music-haters around, I know; they've been quiet lately. They wouldn't know poignant if it bit 'em in the ass.
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Old December 22 2012, 11:34 PM   #853
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Composers don't score to the script, they score to the rough cut of the film. There's no way the script would give them the information they needed about timing, mood, and the like. Generally the composer sits down with the producer or director for a spotting session -- going through the rough cut, deciding which scenes should be scored and which shouldn't, figuring out the timings, discussing the desired mood and musical approach, and so forth -- and then goes off and writes the score.

As for why some of the weaker episodes like "Spock's Brain" or "And the Children Shall Lead" evoked such lush scores, part of a composer's job is to fill in the gaps -- to convey the aspects of a scene's mood and meaning that don't come across in the dialogue and visuals alone. So compensating for what isn't there is already part of the composer's job. The weaker the episode, the more the score has to carry it.
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Old December 23 2012, 12:19 AM   #854
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Re. Digital v. Hard copy: Though I think I would prefer a digital download of the music at hand, I wrote and self-published a book and have resisted e-formatting it. I labored so hard over trim size, typesetting, picture placement, page layout, cover, I am not allowing someone's random ereader to undo all that. Control-freakish, I admit. But I visualized the whole thing, the holding, the seeing, where certain icons appear, as an experience. It's not just information.

(And yes, I realize I did not tell the title, because I think we're not supposed to advertise here. It's a motivational book based on stories from the life of Louis Armstrong with practices and listening links each chapter. It's on Amazon. Message me and I'll tell you more if you're interested.)
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Old December 23 2012, 03:02 AM   #855
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^Well, sure, there are going to be works that are more suited to a given format than others. But individual examples aren't universal rules. You're perfectly entitled to want your work to be presented in a certain format if that format is important to the artistic integrity of that particular work; but that has exactly nothing to do with the relative merits of digital vs. hardcopy in general terms.
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