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Old December 21 2012, 04:08 AM   #271
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Maybe the cops read the same bullshit unsourced racist statistics about black people being genetically predisposed to violence that you did. You know, the ones that you said no one dares talk about yet you decided to grace us with anyway?
Nothing about genetics. That's your reflexive implication, but the police read the same statistics, since the FBI and DOJ spend so much time compiling and publishing them, with lots of fancy charts and graphs and everything, so the police and everybody else can read them, like this one:
Homicide Trends in the US.

Some demographics are around 1 per 100,000 or less, and some demographics have at times topped 300 per 100,000. Everyone in law enforcement and academia knows all about it, and a lot of government programs and policy try to address it. One effect is sending tens of thousands of blacks to jail for years for nothing but weapons violations, because they're generally under much closer scrutiny than white folks in the suburbs.

Weapons Offenses and Offenders

For every guy in Vermont who gets busted, 500 people in DC go to jail.

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I used to own ten or twenty unregistered guns.
Shocking.
I wouldn't even know how to go about registering them. It would be like trying to register a tricycle or washing machine or something. We just don't do that here.
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Old December 21 2012, 11:22 AM   #272
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^It sounds as if you saying the Police are engaging in racial profilling, shouldn't that be Illegal. Wait a minute doesn't the US 4th Ammendment guarantee the right to be safe from search and siezure without a warrant (which needs probable cause).
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Old December 21 2012, 10:07 PM   #273
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And the NRA, have responded with the idea of armed guards for schools.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20815130

So they can be at every location at once, can monitor every single class room at once, monitor every entry/exit point at once etc.. I can't see this working.
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Old December 21 2012, 10:36 PM   #274
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It's an inefficient use of resources. Since 2000 there have been about 61 children killed in school shootings. Using the same number of cops to check that parents are using child seats in their cars would probably save a lot more kids.

There are other clever things we could do to somewhat harden the schools, even like installing a few roll-down metal doors in the halls, like those you see at store entrances in malls or downtown shops for when they close up for the night. Having more tasers in schools shouldn't have a downside, and you could probably rig something similar to all the classroom doorknobs that shooters always grab and rattle, looking to enter a classroom. With webcams and computers now ubiquitous, we could also monitor schools so that administrators, teachers, and police can monitor the shooter's movements in real time, improving the effectiveness of the response, evacuation, and countermeasures.

Basically, we can guess pretty well on what a shooter or bomber is going to do, based on past profiles, and can plot and plan to confuse, impede, isolate, and delay them to some extent.
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Old December 21 2012, 10:49 PM   #275
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Why not impede them buy banning assult weapons and high capicity magaines, or better yet banning guns altogther?
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Old December 21 2012, 11:17 PM   #276
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Because those don't actually do anything. A high capacity magazine is less sophisticated than a beer can and we already have two centuries of supply in circulation, and reloading takes about two seconds. Assault weapons are used in mass killings only a sixth as often as a cigarette lighter, and are not as effective at killing people. Post Heller, a gun ban is clearly unconstitutional, and given the UK's example, would just mean that only violent criminals and the mentally ill would have guns.
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Old December 22 2012, 02:22 AM   #277
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The law they are going to introduce doesn't ban anything but the purchase of new assault weapons and magazines. Right now 10-years worth of assault weapons and magazines are being purchased by people who are afraid they will not be able to get them later. The same thing happened before the last ban. Doubtless these weapons will end up in homes that would not have brought them except for the manufactured scarcity. We just made it more likely they will get into the wrong hands, not less.
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Old December 22 2012, 02:30 AM   #278
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But in the short term, it won't matter if they ban the sales because the stores are already about empty and the suppliers couldn't nearly keep up with demand.
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Old December 22 2012, 02:39 AM   #279
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Gun suppliers are scouring the world for any kind of assault weapon they can get their hands on. We are flooding the country with new assault weapons. And it even gets worse if they don't pass the ban. That means we will have them everywhere. And the worst part it would not have changed what happened in Newtown, any current or new owner can have a family member with a mental illness that could get access to the guns. I'm not seeing the point to all this.
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Old December 22 2012, 03:00 AM   #280
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Because those don't actually do anything. A high capacity magazine is less sophisticated than a beer can and we already have two centuries of supply in circulation, and reloading takes about two seconds. Assault weapons are used in mass killings only a sixth as often as a cigarette lighter, and are not as effective at killing people. Post Heller, a gun ban is clearly unconstitutional, and given the UK's example, would just mean that only violent criminals and the mentally ill would have guns.
The mentally ill would not have guns, take this Adam guy in the UK the only way he would have got hold of a machine gun is if he knew the right people and considering he was a complete loner than that would gave been difficult.
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Old December 22 2012, 03:59 AM   #281
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Anyone who seriously uses the term assault weapons is both a massive ignorant fool when it comes to firearms, and buying into a political buzzword created by racists who wanted to scare white people and disarm black people.
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Old December 22 2012, 04:10 AM   #282
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Anyone who seriously uses the term assault weapons is both a massive ignorant fool when it comes to firearms, and buying into a political buzzword created by racists who wanted to scare white people and disarm black people.
Are you saying that black people are predisposed to using a certain type of weapon? That's pretty racist, bro.
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Old December 22 2012, 04:12 AM   #283
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Please tell me you did not just play the race card and imply that gun control advocates who simply have a different opinion from yours are racists who don't like blacks.

Black people tend to carry certain types of weapons? Who's being racially questionable and insensitive again?
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Old December 22 2012, 04:17 AM   #284
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The Racist Roots of Gun Control, by Clayton E. Cramer.

Good read. Talks all about how the history go gun control is firmly rooted in racist motives and coded language. It's from '95, but it's still good.
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Old December 22 2012, 04:31 AM   #285
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Anyone who seriously uses the term assault weapons is both a massive ignorant fool when it comes to firearms, and buying into a political buzzword created by racists...

Ya mean like those evil librul bastards that run run "Guns Digest", "Soldier of Fortune" magazine, and the advertising campaigns of the gun manufacturers themselves? Sorry fella, but "assault weapons" was an industry term long before anyone in the anti-gun lobby or the so-called liberal media adopted it.
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