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Old December 3 2012, 04:21 PM   #46
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I'm dismayed that this is coming out before DS9 or Voyager but I suppose ENT doesn't need as much remastering.

I predicted it would be the next series, its simple really, only the FX require upconversion, everything else is ready to go. I will be buying this set also!

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I predicted in a TNG thread that Enterprise would be released concurrently with TNG. So there...
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Old December 4 2012, 03:43 AM   #47
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I don't think Enterprise will look that good on Blu-ray. The CGI didn't age very well. The live action footage isn't great either.

I found some screenshots for the second season episode "Minefield". Source is the 1080p iTunes download. Of course the Blu-ray will have a higher bitrate but I doubt it will make that much of a difference. TNG-R just looks much better.

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Old December 4 2012, 01:13 PM   #48
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The only thing I'd wish CBS Digital would do, is replace all the CG created human character models (usually shown walking on the hull of the ship, or on any shot that required scale like fake Trip & Reed standing in devastated Florida) with real live extras. That was the only unconvincing aspect to the SFX. They just looked so fake and even gaming gives uncanny lifelike movements these days. Everything else was top notch, such as the beauty passes of starships and space pheonmena. All that still holds up well.

Surprising they couldn't enhance however many dozen shots across the four year run that amounts to. Compared to the enormous feats of technical achievement reached thousands of times per season on TNG.

When remastering TOS lessons were clearly learned from ENT in that, when it came time to show people walking around huge structures like mining colonies and starbases, real people were filmed (fans working on the project I believe), made tiny and dropped in to add realism.

Whether those CGI creations I'm describing look better at 1080p, I can't tell you since I've never seen Enterprise at any greater resolution than upscaled SD. But I doubt it somehow.
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Old December 4 2012, 07:20 PM   #49
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I don't think Enterprise will look that good on Blu-ray. The CGI didn't age very well. The live action footage isn't great either.

I found some screenshots for the second season episode "Minefield". Source is the 1080p iTunes download.
thanks for the screencaps in HD from the low bit rate iTunes download.
I think ENT will look as good as it can for consumers on Blu-ray with the highest bit-rate available in HD to any Trek fan.
I really liked season 3 and plan on purchasing it on Blu-ray.
With season 4 being the first Trek TV series to be shot digitally with HD cameras and it was during the HD infancy of television shooting narrative dramas in the US on HD cameras I think it will have the limitations of the available Sony F-900 HDCAM cameras at the time: 8-bit recording with interpolated 3:1:1 color sampling and the resolution up-converted in-camera from a 1440x1080 sensor which was 1990s HD camera technology.
Even though the show was mastered most likely to 10-bit D-5 HD tape season 4 would have the lowest quality overall due to the source not being 35mm film.
I think seasons 1 & 2 I can live with on DVD only.
Surely the next Trek TV series will be shot with a a state-of-the-art 4k digital cinema camera using RAW data or a high bit rate and sampling level codec.
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Old December 10 2012, 04:08 PM   #50
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Re: The bird is out: ENTERPRISE on blu-ray

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I don't think Enterprise will look that good on Blu-ray. The CGI didn't age very well. The live action footage isn't great either.

I found some screenshots for the second season episode "Minefield". Source is the 1080p iTunes download. Of course the Blu-ray will have a higher bitrate but I doubt it will make that much of a difference. TNG-R just looks much better.

Screenshots: http://imgbox.com/g/V4zFGEEWqo
Hmm, I disagree, I caught the tail end of Enterprise on HDNET when I first got an HDTV several years ago and it looked great. I'm looking forward to it.


Does anyone know if they will release it on Blu as a series set or release it slowly season by season?
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Old December 12 2012, 01:06 PM   #51
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Season by season, surely.
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Old December 20 2012, 01:12 PM   #52
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The digital bits has an update

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/column...ts/121912_1245

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http://ent.trekcore.com/bluray/12182...onustease.html
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Old December 20 2012, 02:11 PM   #53
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With Enterprise, going all digital for the ships was a very bad move for Paramount, since with DS9 and Voyager (and even earlier with TNG and First Contact) any CGI-created ships had to look as good and convincing as a physical model, or else they ended up with horrible CGI models like the Voyager from "Blink Of An Eye". Paramount should've invested in a physical model for Enterprise and the created a couple of passes with the Enterprise model and then enhanced the show with a CGI model that looked just as good as physical model.

But for whatever reason, a physical model, even a small one, tends to add that sense of realism that CGI lacks.

But why are they putting a commentary on "Shuttlepod One"? That was one of the worst Trek episodes ever.
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Old December 20 2012, 04:24 PM   #54
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I always thought the effects of Enterprise were the high point of the show. Wish they had got Eden FX to do the effects work on TOS-R.
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Old December 20 2012, 04:36 PM   #55
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I'm glad that CBS had the right sense not to go with Eden for TOS Remastered. CBS Digital's stuff was 10,000 times better than anything Eden did. I remember when I first saw the remastered "Naked Time" on analog cable, I was blown away by how much the ship and planets looked like they had been done with physical models and the shots had been stored away somewhere since the 60's and had just now been rediscovered and scanned in HD.

Unfortunately CBS has started to slip on TNG-R when they've had to replace model shots (such as the EAF shot of the D providing energy to Farpoint - that just took me out of the episode).
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Old December 20 2012, 05:03 PM   #56
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I'm glad that CBS had the right sense not to go with Eden for TOS Remastered. CBS Digital's stuff was 10,000 times better than anything Eden did. I remember when I first saw the remastered "Naked Time" on analog cable, I was blown away by how much the ship and planets looked like they had been done with physical models and the shots had been stored away somewhere since the 60's and had just now been rediscovered and scanned in HD.

Unfortunately CBS has started to slip on TNG-R when they've had to replace model shots (such as the EAF shot of the D providing energy to Farpoint - that just took me out of the episode).
The quality of the CBS-D effects are pretty poor when watching it in 1080p. I never had an issue with the effects quality of Enterprise.
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Old December 20 2012, 07:22 PM   #57
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The CBS Digital shots were great in 1080p. Even comparing he upressed Defiant from Enterprise to the Enterprise was no match. CBS hit the effects out of the ballpark, while Eden made them look like the effects were from a Nintendo 64 game.
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Old December 20 2012, 07:38 PM   #58
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The CBS Digital shots were great in 1080p. Even comparing he upressed Defiant from Enterprise to the Enterprise was no match. CBS hit the effects out of the ballpark, while Eden made them look like the effects were from a Nintendo 64 game.
I have the exact opposite impression. The work CBS Digital did on TOS-R looked cartoony and extremely over lit, minus the matte work which was excellent. The NX-01 felt like a tangible object for most of the series until the budget was slashed for season four.

Guess we will have to agree to disagree.
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Old December 20 2012, 08:45 PM   #59
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The CBS Digital shots were great in 1080p. Even comparing he upressed Defiant from Enterprise to the Enterprise was no match. CBS hit the effects out of the ballpark, while Eden made them look like the effects were from a Nintendo 64 game.
I have the exact opposite impression. The work CBS Digital did on TOS-R looked cartoony and extremely over lit, minus the matte work which was excellent. The NX-01 felt like a tangible object for most of the series until the budget was slashed for season four.

Guess we will have to agree to disagree.
I have to agree with you. That's probably the #1 thing that prevents me from picking up the bluray set of TOS...
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I have to agree with you. That's probably the #1 thing that prevents me from picking up the bluray set of TOS...
I just turn the new effects off.
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