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Old December 20 2012, 05:31 AM   #31
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Re: Was Voyager better?

TNG was the far better show than Voyager, but that had most to do with two things: Patrick Stewart, and the writing of individual episodes. Otherwise I think the intellectually progressive nature of the show is what makes it stand out as 'special'. TNG was something special and unique, Voyager was just a pretty good spaceship show.

Voyager, however, has the better secondary cast. TNG's Roddenberry box was a double-edged blade. On one hand, Starfleet officers should seem like consumate professionals, not catty drama queens. On the other hand, it would have benefited from characters to counterbalance Picard and Worf's stiff introversion that weren't just exaggerated female stereotypes. Voyager's cast had so much untapped potential. Chakotay conformed immediately, Kim never did anything but shut up and do his duty. B'elana's rough edges never showed through after the eighth episode or so, Paris's showed up for one episode here and there then went away. But even the neglected characters got me more invested than characters like Troi or Laforge.

If Voyager stuck to its premise it could have been something more special, but it decided in the end just to try to be TNG only without the commitment of message.
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Old December 20 2012, 02:29 PM   #32
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Voyager "true to it's premise" = Stargate Universe. And we saw how that turned out.

the only thing the Next Generation crew had in common was brightly coloured spandex. The Voyager crew were a small community with a shared goal. It made all the difference. Their interactions were more realistic, less sterile than TNG.
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Old December 20 2012, 04:06 PM   #33
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I felt like TNG had the better stories, DS9 the better characterization and interaction, and Voyager had the best "fuzziness." What I mean by that is I could sit down and watch a horrible episode (which there were many in Voyager), and I would still smile or feel good by watching it. There was something about the series that just made you feel good and take you out of the real world when watching it. Like has already been said in this thread, I think it may have had to do something with how the other series were so serious, and this one just felt more loose somehow.
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Old December 21 2012, 09:53 AM   #34
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If I want good stories with seriousness, characterization, interaction AND fuzziness I'll take TOS. Granted the fuzziness part is the fuzziness of time which sentimentalizes it into an old friend.
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Old December 21 2012, 11:39 AM   #35
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TNG was the far better show than Voyager, but that had most to do with two things: Patrick Stewart, and the writing of individual episodes. Otherwise I think the intellectually progressive nature of the show is what makes it stand out as 'special'. TNG was something special and unique, Voyager was just a pretty good spaceship show.

Voyager, however, has the better secondary cast. TNG's Roddenberry box was a double-edged blade. On one hand, Starfleet officers should seem like consumate professionals, not catty drama queens. On the other hand, it would have benefited from characters to counterbalance Picard and Worf's stiff introversion that weren't just exaggerated female stereotypes. Voyager's cast had so much untapped potential. Chakotay conformed immediately, Kim never did anything but shut up and do his duty. B'elana's rough edges never showed through after the eighth episode or so, Paris's showed up for one episode here and there then went away. But even the neglected characters got me more invested than characters like Troi or Laforge.

If Voyager stuck to its premise it could have been something more special, but it decided in the end just to try to be TNG only without the commitment of message.
I would disagree and say DSN had the best secondary cast for the most part, Dukat, Damar, Weyoun, Garak to name just a few. As for it's primary cast most of them got developed well, had episodes focused on them. True some more than others.
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Old December 21 2012, 03:55 PM   #36
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TNG was the far better show than Voyager, but that had most to do with two things: Patrick Stewart, and the writing of individual episodes. Otherwise I think the intellectually progressive nature of the show is what makes it stand out as 'special'. TNG was something special and unique, Voyager was just a pretty good spaceship show.

Voyager, however, has the better secondary cast. TNG's Roddenberry box was a double-edged blade. On one hand, Starfleet officers should seem like consumate professionals, not catty drama queens. On the other hand, it would have benefited from characters to counterbalance Picard and Worf's stiff introversion that weren't just exaggerated female stereotypes. Voyager's cast had so much untapped potential. Chakotay conformed immediately, Kim never did anything but shut up and do his duty. B'elana's rough edges never showed through after the eighth episode or so, Paris's showed up for one episode here and there then went away. But even the neglected characters got me more invested than characters like Troi or Laforge.

If Voyager stuck to its premise it could have been something more special, but it decided in the end just to try to be TNG only without the commitment of message.
I would disagree and say DSN had the best secondary cast for the most part, Dukat, Damar, Weyoun, Garak to name just a few. As for it's primary cast most of them got developed well, had episodes focused on them. True some more than others.
I agree, well said.
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Old December 22 2012, 05:21 PM   #37
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Voyager "true to it's premise" = Stargate Universe. And we saw how that turned out.
Tuvok would smack you across the face for that "logic".
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Old December 22 2012, 11:28 PM   #38
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Also the crew's devotion to Janeway sometimes comes across as cultish rather then family like.
I think that's part of the appeal.
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Old December 23 2012, 12:51 AM   #39
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I just think comparing DS9 and VOY is like comparing...oh, I don't know...chalk and cheese.
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Old December 23 2012, 01:09 AM   #40
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That can be taken in many different ways
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Old December 23 2012, 07:17 PM   #41
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I really like DS9, but I'm really frakkin' sick of DS9 lovers going *whine* "Our series is so much better/smarter/more serialized than yours". *end whine*

It's still just dumb ol' Trek. Fuck you.
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Old December 23 2012, 07:24 PM   #42
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All i know (and yes that isn't much) is that when i want a little Trek Therapy an episode of VOY is so much more soothing than one of DS9. DS9 is great for a binge weekend but VOY is better for a little instant gratification. And no that isn't a bad thing.

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Old December 23 2012, 07:36 PM   #43
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Old December 24 2012, 12:04 AM   #44
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Old December 24 2012, 04:07 AM   #45
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I really like DS9, but I'm really frakkin' sick of DS9 lovers going *whine* "Our series is so much better/smarter/more serialized than yours". *end whine*

It's still just dumb ol' Trek. Fuck you.
So in speaking against people talking down about other Trek series.... you think it's alright to talk down to them?
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