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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Who is John Harrison?
A new character named John Harrison 26 23.64%
A new character with the psuedonym John Harrison 16 14.55%
Khan 19 17.27%
Gary Mitchell 19 17.27%
Harry Mudd 3 2.73%
Nero 0 0%
Trelane 1 0.91%
Other (Please Explain) 26 23.64%
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Old December 19 2012, 04:39 AM   #106
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The idea that a guy like Khan didn't father a number of children during his reign is...not terribly plausible. What became of all of them?

In fact, the whole notion of a moratorium on genetic engineering when there must have been hundreds if not thousands of "superchildren" by the time eighty adult political/military leaders secretly boarded a spacecraft is...rather a conundrum. How were all of these folks descendants prevented from breeding?
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Old December 19 2012, 04:43 AM   #107
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I once played around with the idea that there were descendants of the Augments in the 23rd Century, but they were confined and controlled by Earth's government.
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Old December 19 2012, 04:58 AM   #108
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Well, that really raises questions about the kind of government Earth has as opposed to the way it's usually described.

Now, of course, that would apply to the children that they knew about. And how resentful do you suppose that the families who escaped discovery would be of such treatment?

Maybe angry enough, after a long while, to detonate some things.

Cumberbatch as described his character as a terrorist. One might ask what sort of causes and conditions give rise to terrorists (particularly of the fictional variety). Certainly deep grievances borne for generations by a people who consider themselves oppressed and apart from the culture in power help.
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Old December 19 2012, 05:15 AM   #109
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If Secton 31 in Enterprise and DS9 demonstrated anything, it's that the governing authorities of both Earth and the Federation had a dark and dishonest underbelly that often not only covered up and hid things to keep them from the public but also resorted to striking secret deals with their enemies, violence and even murder to accomplish their goals.

The supposedly pristine, knight-in-shining armor governments of Earth and the Federation would probably be more than capable of hiding the existence of a group of potentially dangerous human beings that had been legally outlawed generations earlier. If that's indeed what happens in the new film it won't be any big revelation to some Trek fans.
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Old December 19 2012, 05:15 AM   #110
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At first, I was convinced he was Khan. Not my first choice to play him, but he made a lot of sense until more information came about.

Now, I'm fairly certain that he is, in fact, Garth of Izar as a couple of others believe. Garth was a member of Starfleet, a contemporary of Pike, a masterful tactician, and a looneybird bent on genocide and universal domination who was eventually locked away. The fact that he learned how to change his shape fits in really well with having an assumed name (which only makes sense since there wouldn't have been any reason to keep it a secret for so long if he was in fact a new character), that he was an explorer, that he is a recognizable character from TOS, and that revealing one of his pseudonyms is a way to give people what they want without letting the actual secret out all fits.

At least far more than Gary Mitchell or the others listed on the poll anyway. The fact that Cumberpatch bears a (very, very slight) resemblance to him is just icing on the cake.
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Old December 19 2012, 05:23 AM   #111
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It's not Garth of Izar.
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Old December 19 2012, 05:31 AM   #112
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Well, that really raises questions about the kind of government Earth has as opposed to the way it's usually described.

Now, of course, that would apply to the children that they knew about. And how resentful do you suppose that the families who escaped discovery would be of such treatment?

Maybe angry enough, after a long while, to detonate some things.

Cumberbatch as described his character as a terrorist. One might ask what sort of causes and conditions give rise to terrorists (particularly of the fictional variety). Certainly deep grievances borne for generations by a people who consider themselves oppressed and apart from the culture in power help.
Earth seems quite paranoid about genetic engineering, even to the point of pushing it's views down the throats of the rest of the Federation. In DS9 we've seen there are severe penalties for using genetic engineering illegally On the other hand, the Federation has no qualms about using genetically engineered people to further its aims. So I can imagine there might be some resentment.
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Old December 19 2012, 05:38 AM   #113
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Of course it's not Garth. It's Lazarus.

I don't think we'll see Khan in this movie but I think he'll be in the background indirectly. He'll likely figure more prominently in the next movie, though I can imagine scenarios where he is not central to the story (perhaps as a flashback--Abrams loves them--that ties into events set up in this movie). Or maybe he'll be the main adversary in the next film. But nothing I've seen or read about the current film makes me think Khan will be a major character this time out.
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Old December 19 2012, 05:41 AM   #114
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It's not Garth of Izar.
It's also not lupus.
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Old December 19 2012, 05:49 AM   #115
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It's not Garth of Izar.
It is Garth of Izar.

Look ma, I can make pointless statements, too. (Oh, and I also listed reasons backing my belief up, too. But that's neither here nor there.)

Speaking of, however, I just remembered the most damning reason of all that leads me to think its Garth. The first few minutes of the IMAX preview is all about him showing up to offer help healing a little girl. The whole reasoning behind his shapechanging abilities was "cellular metamorphosis" that he, himself, was taught in order to help heal himself. That offer certainly isn't anything that any of the other guesses on the poll could offer (aside from the "new guy" options, of course).

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Old December 19 2012, 06:01 AM   #116
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Harrison is a descendant of Khan Noonian Singh. The "supermen" continue to exist as a secret clan, and the information about the Botany Bay has been passed down for generations. Harrison knows approximately where to look for it, in fact. So his life's goal is to enlist the resources to locate it and revive his ancestors.
What would have stopped him or his clan in the main timeline from finding it before Kirk did?
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Old December 19 2012, 06:16 AM   #117
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Has anyone tried to anagram his name?
No. However, his name spoken backward sounds like "turn me on, dead man".
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Old December 19 2012, 06:31 AM   #118
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Has anyone tried to anagram his name?
No. However, his name spoken backward sounds like "turn me on, dead man".
Nah, it sounds like "I buried Khan".
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Old December 19 2012, 06:33 AM   #119
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All I get when I play it backwards is "Obey your coming Lizard overlords."

The hell?!
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Old December 19 2012, 07:38 AM   #120
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The idea that a guy like Khan didn't father a number of children during his reign is...not terribly plausible. What became of all of them?

In fact, the whole notion of a moratorium on genetic engineering when there must have been hundreds if not thousands of "superchildren" by the time eighty adult political/military leaders secretly boarded a spacecraft is...rather a conundrum. How were all of these folks descendants prevented from breeding?
He will be revealed as Khan. They are making this film for the masse who thinks Star Trek is for dorks but you know, khan was really cool

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