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View Poll Results: How would you grade The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey?
A+ 32 16.58%
A 52 26.94%
A- 38 19.69%
B+ 28 14.51%
B 15 7.77%
B- 9 4.66%
C+ 1 0.52%
C 8 4.15%
C- 2 1.04%
D+ 3 1.55%
D 1 0.52%
D- 3 1.55%
F 1 0.52%
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Old December 18 2012, 01:23 PM   #211
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I wonder how the Witchking gets his knife back.

Sword.

Whatever.
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Old December 18 2012, 02:29 PM   #212
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I liked the White Council scene, great to see them all together... and for the complaint that you could tell Lee was filmed separately, the end of the conversation between Gandalf and Galadriel shows that he needn't have been there either. We know the mighty Elves can speak mind-to-mind... maybe Lorien's "magic hologram" tech works better than Isengard's!
Galadriel has a Ring. Frodo, who she telepathed with, had the Ring. So, guess what Gandalf has, which is one reason he could do a big blast at goblins?

Yes. Gandalf always had one of the three Elven Rings - the Ring of Fire. It was given to him by the Elves when he arrived in Middle Earth.

Which was why Galadriel could also talk long-range with Elrond, 'cause Elrond has the third one.

So what you got there is Ring private chat.

Also, Thorin's grandpa (and later his father) had the last of the seven Dwarf rings.

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... and Good (if arrogant) Saruman...
Are we sure that Saruman is "Good" here? He sure had a, "Move along, move along. Nothing to see here." attitude toward the Necromancer.
At the time Saruman was focused on finding the One Ring. He didn't want to bother with the Necromancer until the Necromancer became a threat to that goal.
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Old December 18 2012, 03:49 PM   #213
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... and Good (if arrogant) Saruman...
Are we sure that Saruman is "Good" here? He sure had a, "Move along, move along. Nothing to see here." attitude toward the Necromancer.
At the time Saruman was focused on finding the One Ring. He didn't want to bother with the Necromancer until the Necromancer became a threat to that goal.
Although I am totally reading between the lines here, I assumed Saruman was already secretly allied with Sauron and knew he was the Necromancer, which is why he dismissed Gandalf's concerns about it. It wasn't like he said, "meh, no big deal." He flat-out claimed it was a human playing parlor tricks, and that it couldn't possibly be anything more sinister. To me, that's protesting a bit too much for it to just be Saruman's idle speculation at work.
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Old December 18 2012, 06:36 PM   #214
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"These are [can't remember] Rabbits! I'd like to see them try."
"Rhosgobel rabbits", and yes, I loved Radagast, the rabbits and the hedgehogs. Felt very tolkienish for some reason.
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Old December 18 2012, 07:55 PM   #215
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I've never read the books, but I enjoyed this one as much as I did the LOTR trilogy. Editorially, it feels like the extended versions of those movies. There's a lot of material that could be cut, but most of it provides depth and shading to the characters and the world. Some of it (I'd say 15-20 minutes) was superfluous, for the benefit of those who have read the book(s) or seen the previous movies; in the beginning the most glaring offenders are Frodo's cameo and the dwarve's first song.

Some have complained about the lack of physical jeopardy in the action sequences, but it didn't strike me as that worse an offender than the LOTR movies. To be honest, most of the dwarves were so scantily developed that their deaths wouldn't have elicited much of a reaction from me (which, I suppose, is the film's own problem).

Saw it in 24fps 3D IMAX; at times, the action was a bit jittery in this format, especially during long and fast (and entirely digital) camera moves.

Gave it an A- in the poll; upon reflection I think it might be more along the lines of a B+. Either way, it's a sharp improvement from any of Jackson's other post-LOTR work.
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Old December 18 2012, 09:52 PM   #216
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The Hobbit made only $7.74 mil. on Monday, which is quite a disappointment, to be realistic.

In comparison, Return of the King made 13.6 mil. on its first Monday, and it was its sixth day of the release.
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Old December 18 2012, 10:00 PM   #217
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I just came back from seeing the movie, and here's my opinion:

Yes, it's not quite as good as the Lord of the Rings trilogy and probably a bit too long, but I still thought it was awesome! Technically and visually, the movie is a marvel, and the many quieter character moments worked really well, too. The returning actors do great work and I enjoyed Martin Freeman's Bilbo a lot. And Gollum, who looks even better than he did in the previous movies, is a particular highlight, of course.
If I have one major criticism, it's that during all of the spectacular, rollercoaster-like action sequences, there is never any sense of peril or stakes. Despite the fact that the big setpieces look like there's no way anyone could survive them, none of the countless dwarves are ever harmed or killed, which makes the whole thing feel awfully "safe" after a while.

And by the way: count me as a big fan of 48 fps (or HFR). The clarity and the amount of detail is amazing and the lack of motion blur really helps with the 3D and allows for very fast-paced editing and hyperactive camerawork without ever looking messy or jumbled. I think it's totally worth seeing it that way, despite some minor problems (a very "digital" look during the more brightly-lit scenes in the beginning, some movements that seem weirdly sped-up).
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Old December 18 2012, 11:15 PM   #218
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The Hobbit made only $7.74 mil. on Monday, which is quite a disappointment, to be realistic.

In comparison, Return of the King made 13.6 mil. on its first Monday, and it was its sixth day of the release.
That is disappointing but not surprising considering it sold less tickets on its opening weekend than The Two Towers. It only made more money because of IMAX.
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Old December 19 2012, 12:38 AM   #219
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Galadriel has a Ring. Frodo, who she telepathed with, had the Ring. So, guess what Gandalf has, which is one reason he could do a big blast at goblins?

Yes. Gandalf always had one of the three Elven Rings - the Ring of Fire. It was given to him by the Elves when he arrived in Middle Earth.

Which was why Galadriel could also talk long-range with Elrond, 'cause Elrond has the third one.

So what you got there is Ring private chat.
That's a nice idea, but neither Gandalf nor Galadriel were wearing their rings in the movie, I was watching for that.

I didn't notice if Elrond was.
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Old December 19 2012, 12:52 AM   #220
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Galadriel has a Ring. Frodo, who she telepathed with, had the Ring. So, guess what Gandalf has, which is one reason he could do a big blast at goblins?

Yes. Gandalf always had one of the three Elven Rings - the Ring of Fire. It was given to him by the Elves when he arrived in Middle Earth.

Which was why Galadriel could also talk long-range with Elrond, 'cause Elrond has the third one.

So what you got there is Ring private chat.
That's a nice idea, but neither Gandalf nor Galadriel were wearing their rings in the movie, I was watching for that.

I didn't notice if Elrond was.
They may not have been wearing the rings on their fingers...
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Old December 19 2012, 01:07 AM   #221
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I haven't read the book, but is Gandalf coming to the rescue at the last minute going to be a continual thing? Because by the third time it happened in this movie it was already starting to seem a bit ridiculous.

Also, is there some kind of explanation in the books as to why the giant eagles don't just fly Gandalf and the gang all the way to their destination? Like maybe they aren't able to leave a certain area? Or they don't want to get too close and risk the dragon sensing them?
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Old December 19 2012, 03:21 AM   #222
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I thought it was good, but the Eagle scene reminded me of a video I saw a few years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/channel/SW1nkEYDHQFw0

Yup Gandalf gets a thrill from these quests because, well it builds character in the other people around him
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Old December 19 2012, 03:36 AM   #223
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I guess the idea is that the eagles aren't actually all that keen on interfering in the business of the other peoples of Middle Earth. But they'll do the occasional small favor for their good friend Gandalf.
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Old December 19 2012, 04:09 AM   #224
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I may have been overstating with "Saruman is a good guy;" certainly he comes across as rather full of himself at best, sinister at worst. But he can't be too obviously subverted, otherwise it makes no sense for Gandalf to go to him in Fellowship.
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Old December 19 2012, 04:18 AM   #225
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I believe the Eagles are direct servants of god, like the Wizards, and so only help the heroes enough to get them to the next stage of their development.
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