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Old December 2 2012, 11:07 AM   #31
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People always blame the networks for their content, but ultimately it's the viewers who are responsible. Commercial networks need ratings to sell ad time and stay in business. So the shows that the audience wants to watch get renewed, and the shows the audience doesn't watch get cancelled. You can start out with the best of intentions to be a smart, educational cable network, but if your ratings tank and the advertisers won't buy time, you have no choice but to switch to more profitable programming if you want to stay in business. And that's why educational channels end up degenerating into pseudoscience and reality dreck -- because, sadly, that's what the public wants.

This is why public television is so important. The only way educational television can really work is if it isn't dependent on advertiser dollars to stay in business. This is why we need more government funding for PBS, not less like Mitt Romney wanted. And maybe more government involvement in other ways too. When I was growing up, there were FCC regulations saying that networks had to feature a certain amount of educational content, and so there were more shows out there that were actually informative.
I would personally prefer a modell based on donatons that the Realnews has. With the internet the people who want to watch stupid stuff will watch stupid stuff, no amount of PBS funding can change that.


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Anyways anybody else would be in favor of documentaries about different conflicts like Iran vs Iraq or other conflicts with those cool animations and maps. I mean how long are they going to milk WW2?
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Old December 2 2012, 03:39 PM   #32
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Despite your stoic defense, they do do that very thing, and they do it often. The most notable example I can think of off the top of my head is the Archimedes death ray. "Well, we got a bunch of kids to stand here with some crap mirrors we handed them, and golly gosh gee, after a couple hours (if that) of trying, they just couldn't do it. MYTH BUSTED!!!!!!!!"
And then they revisited it twice more to double-check their findings. That's what you're overlooking. They're always willing to revisit a conclusion and change their minds.

Look, I concede their methodology has gotten a bit sloppier in recent years. But one thing they would never do is say "aliens did it." That's getting it completely backward. If anything, the Mythbusters err on the side of skepticism, not credulity. They don't start out believing something is true and then twist the facts to support it, the way those ancient-astronaut specials do. They go into the testing with an open mind and base their conclusion on the test results. Yes, they're often too quick to accept their experimental results without further testing or corroboration, but that's a completely different type of error in judgment from "aliens built the pyramids." They are on the side of science; they just aren't always as conscientious about it as they should be. Specials about ancient astronauts or vast conspiracies or the other X-Filesy stuff that gets passed off as educational cable these days are anti-science, and the Mythbusters loathe that kind of thinking. Go back and watch how scornful Adam and Jamie were toward perpetual motion and faked-Moon-landing conspiracy theories, and how much glee they took in exposing what a bunch of idiocy they were.
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Old December 13 2012, 08:26 PM   #33
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For comedy value, the crazy ass Greek guy with the fucked up hair's pronunciation of "technology" never fails to make me laugh. I don't even know how to replicate it in text.
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Old December 18 2012, 10:15 PM   #34
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Old December 18 2012, 11:40 PM   #35
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Douglas Adams provided my official explanation:

"Teasers are usually rich kids with nothing to do. They cruise around looking for planets which haven't made interstellar contact yet and buzz them."

"Buzz them?" Arthur began to feel that Ford was enjoying making life difficult for him.

"Yeah," Ford said, "They buzz them. They find some isolated spot with very few people around, then land right by some poor unsuspecting soul whom no ones ever going to believe and then strut up and down in front of him wearing silly antennae on their head and making beep beep noises. Rather childish really."
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Old December 19 2012, 12:45 AM   #36
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Well, you know: There are those who believe that life here began out there, far across the universe ....
Hey, I used a part of that intro in class once. We were talking about "The Aeneid" and I asked that, basically this was Aeneas leading a "ragtag fugitive fleet..." and they founded Rome. ONE person in the class laughed. The professor said, "That's another reference, isn't it?" She knew by then that I liked to throw them in when they fit. I was the 40yo woman geek in a class of 19-20yo's!
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Old December 19 2012, 01:09 AM   #37
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Using the "We only show what people want to watch" argument, it amazes me that cable isn't 24/7 warm oil bikini model wrestling.
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Old December 19 2012, 01:51 AM   #38
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Bikinis? That's an unusually chaste idea.

Although in all seriousness, Starz exists, and HBO includes sex and swearing in almost every show like it's the cable channel's watermark.
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Demands? No. Accepts and is entertained by? You got it. It is called the lowest common denominator for a reason.
That's basically it. How many people are buying the DVDs of the pseudohistorical shows or declaring them their favourite things on TV? All a network TV show needs to survive is just enough people watching and entertained for whatever reason. How much they're entertained by it and the level of their engagement will vary.

But realistically, who turns to TV for historical documentaries anymore? Even ignoring the written word (and quite frankly that's automatically preferable for any pre-Lumiere brothers history) I can usually get better documentaries through stores or online. You're not got going to find something as good as Fog of War as TV programming anytime, ever.
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Old December 19 2012, 02:21 AM   #39
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Using the "We only show what people want to watch" argument, it amazes me that cable isn't 24/7 warm oil bikini model wrestling.
That's what the internet's for.
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Old December 19 2012, 03:44 AM   #40
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Using the "We only show what people want to watch" argument, it amazes me that cable isn't 24/7 warm oil bikini model wrestling.
That's because a very large percentage of the TV audience consists of women, not to mention parents. Not to mention the strongly religious, etc. etc. There's more than one taste to be catered to.
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