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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Who is John Harrison?
A new character named John Harrison 26 23.64%
A new character with the psuedonym John Harrison 16 14.55%
Khan 19 17.27%
Gary Mitchell 19 17.27%
Harry Mudd 3 2.73%
Nero 0 0%
Trelane 1 0.91%
Other (Please Explain) 26 23.64%
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Old December 17 2012, 11:38 PM   #91
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People have misheard the name....its not John Harrison.....Its George Harrison, and he has been reincarnated, and he is very unhappy with the way the world turned out, you could say he is no longer on cloud 9.........but this time, no more mr nice guy.
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Old December 18 2012, 12:33 AM   #92
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He's got his mind set on Earth.

And it's gonna take detonations. A whole lotta big detonations.
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Old December 18 2012, 12:56 AM   #93
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Well, there is something in the way he moves.
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Old December 18 2012, 01:07 AM   #94
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Well, there is something in the way he moves.

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Old December 18 2012, 01:55 AM   #95
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While his Vulcan Lute gently weeps.
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Old December 18 2012, 01:56 AM   #96
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Number 9.
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Old December 18 2012, 02:24 AM   #97
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I wonder if the REAL villains are these Klingons... perhaps they attacked Earth first, and "Harrison" is a secret but illegal weapon unleashed to bring hell upon them, not in the name of the Federation, but Earth itself, making him a nationalist conundrum: Do you trust Starfleet to save us, or does the private sector do it themselves? (and make a bit of coin to boot). Perhaps the character that Peter Weller plays is the Peter Weyland of Trek who keeps the banned Khan inspired eugenics project going secretly. Harrison, (a Starfleet officer?) is recruited bent on his own personal blood lust (maybe earlier dealings with the murderous Kilingons) make him the ultimate volunteer for this "super solider" program. He takes them on as a one man eugenic army to destroy the Klingon threat in a way Starfleet can't ... But Kirk and Starfleet gets in the middle, holding the thin, prime directed, line faithful to what the Federation stands for. And making Harrison a morally ambiguous character as the human future of alien warfare in an increasingly deadlier galaxy that Starfleet may not be ready for. Especially after the events of Trek09 and the destruction of half the fleet and all of Vulcan.
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Old December 18 2012, 09:18 AM   #98
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He's Walter Bishop's young clone.
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Old December 18 2012, 05:49 PM   #99
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Inigo Montoya.
I never knew Kirk had 6 fingers...

Does that make Cupcake Fezzik?
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Old December 18 2012, 05:50 PM   #100
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Old December 18 2012, 06:01 PM   #101
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I wonder if the REAL villains are these Klingons... perhaps they attacked Earth first, and "Harrison" is a secret but illegal weapon unleashed to bring hell upon them, not in the name of the Federation, but Earth itself, making him a nationalist conundrum: Do you trust Starfleet to save us, or does the private sector do it themselves? (and make a bit of coin to boot). Perhaps the character that Peter Weller plays is the Peter Weyland of Trek who keeps the banned Khan inspired eugenics project going secretly. Harrison, (a Starfleet officer?) is recruited bent on his own personal blood lust (maybe earlier dealings with the murderous Kilingons) make him the ultimate volunteer for this "super solider" program. He takes them on as a one man eugenic army to destroy the Klingon threat in a way Starfleet can't ... But Kirk and Starfleet gets in the middle, holding the thin, prime directed, line faithful to what the Federation stands for. And making Harrison a morally ambiguous character as the human future of alien warfare in an increasingly deadlier galaxy that Starfleet may not be ready for. Especially after the events of Trek09 and the destruction of half the fleet and all of Vulcan.
To be honest, I've started to wonder the same thing. To me, in the trailer at least, it almost seems as though Harrison is saving Kirk and co. from the Klingons.
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Old December 18 2012, 06:30 PM   #102
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He's Walter Bishop's young clone.
Now we're making sense! Spock and Spock Prime are alternate universe incarnations of William Bell.

On a serious note, though...

FRINGE has shown that JJ likes to see how an established cast of characters can be expanded upon by depicting them in an alternate universe. No doubt that's what we have going on in ST since Nero's intervention.

My gut feeling is that the WOK elements we've seen are not just JJ's homage to TOS, but in the AbramsVerse, these similar events happen because they were destined to.

Ok, so does JJ re-hash Khan? I hope not. But it seems that the Eugenics Wars is a lush garden to pick from and it's not too much to ask the question, "Were there any 'eugenics' kept in secret' after the war?

Either way, I've already requested to take 5/17 off from work!
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Old December 18 2012, 06:48 PM   #103
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FRINGE has shown that JJ likes to see how an established cast of characters can be expanded upon by depicting them in an alternate universe. No doubt that's what we have going on in ST since Nero's intervention.
Except that Abrams isn't really the head creative mind behind Fringe. He doesn't have time to run TV series now that he's a big movie director, so most of the stuff on TV that has his name on it doesn't really have his direct or close involvement. Fringe was created by Abrams, Kurtzman, & Orci, but K&O haven't actually written for the show since midway through the first season and Abrams hasn't written for it since the second-season premiere. For most of its existence, the show's writing staff has been run by Jeff Pinkner and J.H. Wyman (though Wyman only came aboard in season 2 and Pinkner is not working on the current, final season). And the alternate-universe aspects of Fringe didn't really emerge until season 2. I'd say they probably owe more to Pinkner and Wyman than to Abrams or K&O.



My gut feeling is that the WOK elements we've seen are not just JJ's homage to TOS, but in the AbramsVerse, these similar events happen because they were destined to.
Except it wouldn't make sense to rehash TWOK at this point. The relevant story would be "Space Seed." People keep forgetting that. There's no way that the storyline of TWOK -- about Khan seeking vengeance on Kirk for stranding him on a hellhole a decade and a half earlier -- would make any sense at this point in the timeline, when Kirk has only been in command of the ship for less than a year and has never met Khan.
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Old December 19 2012, 04:05 AM   #104
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Okay, here's one - if it's been proposed already I apologize for missing it.

Cumberbatch's emphasis in his final line of the trailer is "anything you would not do for your family?"

Harrison is a descendant of Khan Noonian Singh. The "supermen" continue to exist as a secret clan, and the information about the Botany Bay has been passed down for generations. Harrison knows approximately where to look for it, in fact. So his life's goal is to enlist the resources to locate it and revive his ancestors.

We're going to get Khan from these guys one way or the other, eventually.

The likelihood of that may be contradicted by a stray line somewhere in one of the Enterprise "Augment" episodes, but big deal.
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Okay, here's one - if it's been proposed already I apologize for missing it.

Cumberbatch's emphasis in his final line of the trailer is "anything you would not do for your family?"

Harrison is a descendant of Khan Noonian Singh. The "supermen" continue to exist as a secret clan, and the information about the Botany Bay has been passed down for generations. Harrison knows approximately where to look for it, in fact. So his life's goal is to enlist the resources to locate it and revive his ancestors.

We're going to get Khan from these guys one way or the other, eventually.

The likelihood of that may be contradicted by a stray line somewhere in one of the Enterprise "Augment" episodes, but big deal.
Sounds like a good plot.

Enterprise did introduce a group of Augments raised in secret by Arik Soong.
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