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Old December 14 2012, 09:06 PM   #106
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^Of course, we've neglected to comment on the fact that Indy's dad was played by Sean Connery, who is a mere 12 years older than Harrison Ford!
Psshaw. That's nothing. In North by Northwest, Cary Grant's mother was played by an actress who was only seven years years older than him--and who claimed at the time to be younger than him. (She lied about her age.)
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Old December 15 2012, 01:25 AM   #107
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My problem was more with Chris Evans's race. I'm not opposed in principle to the idea of Sue Storm being Hispanic, but if so, shouldn't Johnny have been Hispanic too?
"Sue Storm" wasn't Hispanic, the actor playing her was.
I liked the first FF movie more than I liked Batman Begins. I thought it was closer to being what it should have been than BB was.
At least BB was about its protagonist actually becoming a hero. The FF didn't really do anything heroic in their first movie. They were mainly just dealing with their own personal issues, and endangering other people in the process. Okay, when they inadvertently caused the disaster on the bridge, they did manage to save the lives they'd endangered, but it doesn't really count as heroism when you're responsible for the problem in the first place. Then the rest of the movie was about them defending themselves from Doom, who never seemed to have any specific malevolent agenda against anyone but the FF themselves. They weren't trying to stop him from taking over the world or destroying a city, just trying to stop him from killing the four of them. And in order to do so, they had Johnny risk igniting the atmosphere and killing everyone on the planet. So, to sum up, the FF risked the destruction of all life on Earth in service to their own self-interest. That means the FF were actually the villains of their own movie.
The movie had it's flaws, without question. But what I liked about it was how the relationships between the characters were written and performed. It was very true to the comic book. And BTW, the logical leap with respect to the "risks' taken by the FF in the movie (and I agree, it shouldn't have required a "leap") was that if Doom defeated the FF, his next step would be world domination. So the risk to the population was justified.

BB should have been a much better movie than it was but it was saddled with the most forgettable villain ever, and an uncharismatic performance of the lead character by Bale. I have never been able to get through the movie without nodding off. All a matter of opinion, of course.
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Old December 15 2012, 02:01 AM   #108
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My problem was more with Chris Evans's race. I'm not opposed in principle to the idea of Sue Storm being Hispanic, but if so, shouldn't Johnny have been Hispanic too?
"Sue Storm" wasn't Hispanic, the actor playing her was.
Well, why couldn't Sue and Johnny have been Hispanic? Or black? Or anything? Sure, "Storm" is an English name, but there are lots of people of mixed heritage who have English names by this point. Heck, they cast Kerry Washington as Alicia Masters, so they weren't married to the original ethnicities from the comics. So why be so quick to assume that the movie's Sue and Johnny weren't Hispanic? We have no proof either way, beyond how they looked, and as others have pointed out to me, that's hardly definitive.


And BTW, the logical leap with respect to the "risks' taken by the FF in the movie (and I agree, it shouldn't have required a "leap") was that if Doom defeated the FF, his next step would be world domination. So the risk to the population was justified.
Okay, as comic book fans, we know implicitly that Doom is out for conquest. But the movie itself failed to establish that overtly. There was no real sense that Doom endangered anyone but the Four, no sense that they were protecting anyone but themselves.

And no, I don't think it's justified to risk annihilating the human race to stop an aspiring tyrant. That's a textbook case of the cure being worse than the disease. Heck, even if Doom succeeded in conquering the world (and honestly, did anyone imagine for a minute that the Julian McMahon Dr. Doom was remotely capable of that?), at least its people would still exist and could be liberated through some other means than burning them to a crisp.
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Old December 15 2012, 02:02 AM   #109
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No I don't think you're racist, but if I did a statement like this wouldn't convince me otherwise.

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My problem was more with Chris Evans's race. I'm not opposed in principle to the idea of Sue Storm being Hispanic, but if so, shouldn't Johnny have been Hispanic too?
Can Jessica Alba only play Hispanic characters?

Is every character she's played Hispanic?

Could only a Hispanic actor play Johnny to Alba's Sue?
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Old December 15 2012, 02:59 AM   #110
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Good grief, stop overreacting! All I meant was that she looked Latina to me in that role. And I absolutely do not mean that as a value judgment or a statement about the actress's worth, any more than it would be if I said someone's eyes looked blue. It doesn't mean any more to me than that. I can't help it if it means something more to you.
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Old December 15 2012, 03:29 AM   #111
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Good grief, stop overreacting! All I meant was that she looked Latina to me in that role. And I absolutely do not mean that as a value judgment or a statement about the actress's worth, any more than it would be if I said someone's eyes looked blue. It doesn't mean any more to me than that. I can't help it if it means something more to you.
You said something in a way I found clumsy and not well thought out. All I did was point it out. Your attempts to defend and rationalize it are much more of an overreaction than anything I've said.
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Old December 15 2012, 06:22 AM   #112
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And Alba's skin tone is so pale that she could be from any European country.
When she's a brunette, I can see that. But dyeing her hair blond made her look more Latina to me than she usually does, somehow. Maybe all I'm saying is that she didn't look natural as a blonde.

But like I said, my problem was more with Evans's lack of resemblance to Alba than the reverse. I resent the way everyone's trying to read some kind of ugly racism into my words, making the false assumption that it was Alba's ethnicity I had a problem with. All I'm saying is that to me, in that movie, Alba and Evans didn't look related. I'm not saying anything about what's possible in real life, because we're not talking about real life, we're talking about a work of fiction, and it's about impressions. As a rule, if you're casting siblings, you try to cast them to resemble each other. That's not a race thing, it's just a general casting thing. As I've said over and over, I would've been fine with recasting either Johnny or Sue, or both. It is not about Alba specifically the way the rest of you keep trying to make it. I'm sorry if I inadvertently reminded you of some issues that are troubling to you, but that wasn't my intention. Obviously I've miscommunicated something. This is becoming a bigger deal than I ever intended. It's not that important to me, just a subjective impression. And I'm certainly willing to concede that my impressions could be in error. So maybe we should just wrap it up and move on.
I agree. And for what it is worth, I don't think you're a racist. What's more, I am probably more than a little sensitive myself coming from a life where mixed ethnicity marriages are the norm.

But really, Sue and Johnny were the least of the FF's problems. In addition to the obvious flaws mentioned here, the complete disregard for the world of the FF really bothered me.

Doom just wasn't the same character. What's more, if they wanted to write a love triangle with Sue and Reed the comics have already established Namor in that role. Also, the slapstick humor was just embarrassing. If I had watched this movie with my non-comic book friends, I am sure they would have been merciless.
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Old December 15 2012, 10:36 AM   #113
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01. One of the Storms junior was adopted.

02. One of the Storms senior arrived home one one night with the resultant of an affair, and said to their spouse "Deal with it or suck it."

03. One of the Storms senior could have had fertility issues or they could have been a gay couple of Storms and they used a sperm donor.

04. One of the Storms Senior could have begun this new marriage with a child already tallied from a previous marriage.

05. One of the Storms Junior could have been Switched at birth and no one has noticed yet.

06. A Time travelling villain of the Fantastic Four genetically modified foetus Sue Storm until she was a weapon designed to destroy Reed Richards.

07. Johnny fell into a cauldron of bleach as a baby.

08. The Storms Seniors were scientists creating Super soldiers and decided to raise their peak human experiments as their own children.

09.The Storms Senior went to a lot of Swingers key parties in the early 80s.

10. An alien child cuckoo, was telepathically integrated into a typical human family to be raised sincerely as their own, because it's a cuckoo and that's their bag baby.

I really doubt that I could go on.
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Old December 15 2012, 11:16 AM   #114
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Or one takes after the mother and one takes after the father. I have three siblings and none of us look alike. I also know children of mixed parentage where some have the characteristics of one ethnicity and some the other (yep, black and white siblings). But, in the books, the characters are white, blond and resemble each other-- I believe in being faithful to the source material.
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Old December 15 2012, 11:21 AM   #115
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...(and honestly, did anyone imagine for a minute that the Julian McMahon Dr. Doom was remotely capable of that?)...
No. Worst thing about movie. And they brought him back for sequel. Sheesh.
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Old December 15 2012, 12:24 PM   #116
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Spider webbing comes out of their butts, not their wrists.
That would certainly have added a 'different' aspect to the Raimi movies.
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Old December 15 2012, 12:42 PM   #117
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Seriously, though, what the fuck?! I mean you want organic web shooters? Fine, I guess. But to have the webbing come out of his wrists is sort of dumb when you go that route.
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Old December 15 2012, 03:33 PM   #118
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Guy Gardner, bringing the hilarious.
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Old February 22 2013, 11:16 PM   #119
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Matthew Vaughan to produce...

"Just got off the phone with Fox and some excellent news - Matthew Vaughan is producing Josh Trank's Fantastic Four reboot!" Millar announced today on Twitter.
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Old February 23 2013, 06:04 PM   #120
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The only good thing to come out of FOX owning the "x-men" and "fantastic four"?

Cross over potential. With Vaughn producing the movie can drop nods to "First Class"
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