New Info! (Bad Robot press event/villain ID'd, etc.) *SPOILERS* - Page 10

King Daniel Into Darkness · December 13 2012, 12:14 PM

DigificWriter wrote:

teacake wrote:

I mean at the END when he leaves her for the Enterprise. Which he will.

She's part of his crew on the Enterprise in this reality, as I noted, so I still don't understand your comment.

I suspect major "lore" events will roughly sync up, kinda like how Smallville does with the old Superman films despite the altered premise.

AJBlue98 · December 13 2012, 03:44 PM

Oso Blanco wrote:

AJBlue98 wrote:

I’ve written this in another couple threads; I think it's John Harrison, not John Harrison, so the Star Trek Into Darkness character is Johnny, the kid on the side of the road in Star Trek (2009).

As for Orci’s admitted having lied about one of the characters in the TrekMovie.com interview, I can easily imagine myself having been asked that question, focusing in the moment on the word “canon” and completely missing the “original Star Trek” [sic] part. In that case, I would have answered, “canon,” for Harrison, thinking of Johnny having been added to the canon in Star Trek (2009), and I think that’s what Bob Orci did, then after re-reading the question in the article and realizing his error he commented on it.

In fact, that sounds exactly like something I would do, especially in his shoes.

You got my vote! Actually, I had the very same thought and started a thread about it yesterday.

Credit where it’s due: you’re the one who convinced me.

JarodRussell · December 13 2012, 06:45 PM

Carol Marcus being in Starfleet, and on the Enterprise, is another one of those silly small universe syndrome ideas.
In the Prime universe, it's highly unlikely. She and her whole group were shown to be civilian scientists, and her son had a hatred against anything Starfleet (which certainly would have played out differently when "she was one of them once").

beamMe · December 13 2012, 06:56 PM

JarodRussell wrote:

Carol Marcus being in Starfleet, and on the Enterprise, is another one of those silly small universe syndrome ideas.
In the Prime universe, it's highly unlikely. She and her whole group were shown to be civilian scientists, and her son had a hatred against anything Starfleet (which certainly would have played out differently when "she was one of them once").

Yeah, because children always share their parents' political views.

The Wormhole · December 13 2012, 07:10 PM

JarodRussell wrote:

Carol Marcus being in Starfleet, and on the Enterprise, is another one of those silly small universe syndrome ideas.
In the Prime universe, it's highly unlikely. She and her whole group were shown to be civilian scientists, and her son had a hatred against anything Starfleet (which certainly would have played out differently when "she was one of them once").

Not necesarily. Even if we assume Prime Carol Marcus was once in Starfleet, we don't know the circumstances for why she left. She could have left under less than pleasnt circumstances and her bitterness towards Starfleet could have rubbed off on David causing him to actively hate Starfleet.

OneBuckFilms · December 13 2012, 07:14 PM

The Wormhole wrote:

JarodRussell wrote:

Carol Marcus being in Starfleet, and on the Enterprise, is another one of those silly small universe syndrome ideas.
In the Prime universe, it's highly unlikely. She and her whole group were shown to be civilian scientists, and her son had a hatred against anything Starfleet (which certainly would have played out differently when "she was one of them once").

Not necesarily. Even if we assume Prime Carol Marcus was once in Starfleet, we don't know the circumstances for why she left. She could have left under less than pleasnt circumstances and her bitterness towards Starfleet could have rubbed off on David causing him to actively hate Starfleet.

And besides, we don't know that Carol is assigned to the Enterprise, or if she is brought on board as a specialist or something for one mission.

Kirk and Marcus meet in both realities. Kirk is in Starfleet. It is reasonable to assume that perhaps Marcus worked for Starfleet at some point. There has to be a reason they would meet and have enough time to get to know each other.

The Wormhole · December 13 2012, 07:16 PM

OneBuckFilms wrote:

The Wormhole wrote:

JarodRussell wrote:

Carol Marcus being in Starfleet, and on the Enterprise, is another one of those silly small universe syndrome ideas.
In the Prime universe, it's highly unlikely. She and her whole group were shown to be civilian scientists, and her son had a hatred against anything Starfleet (which certainly would have played out differently when "she was one of them once").

Not necesarily. Even if we assume Prime Carol Marcus was once in Starfleet, we don't know the circumstances for why she left. She could have left under less than pleasnt circumstances and her bitterness towards Starfleet could have rubbed off on David causing him to actively hate Starfleet.

And besides, we don't know that Carol is assigned to the Enterprise, or if she is brought on board as a specialist or something for one mission.

Kirk and Marcus meet in both realities. Kirk is in Starfleet. It is reasonable to assume that perhaps Marcus worked for Starfleet at some point. There has to be a reason they would meet and have enough time to get to know each other.

Well, in the Prime Universe, it's canon fact that Gary Mitchell hooked Kirk up with Carol Marcus.

What? Who else could the blonde lab technician that Kirk nearly married be?

JarodRussell · December 13 2012, 08:48 PM

Not canon fact exactly, but it would fit pretty well.

cooleddie74 · December 13 2012, 09:01 PM

Yeah, it was never said on-screen that Gary hooked Kirk up with a blonde lab technician named Carol Marcus, but lots of fans over the years have made the connection between the two due to Carol's hair color and the fact that she and Kirk were romantically involved around the same time the future captain and Mitchell were ganging up for their shenanigans and exploits.

I've assumed for a long, long time that the blonde lab technician was Carol, but for the record no episode or film ever explicitly stated it.

Mr Awe · December 13 2012, 09:20 PM

Hey, anyone notice that Gary Mitchell has the same number of letters in each name as John Harrison?

Mach5 · December 13 2012, 09:24 PM

Mr Awe wrote:

Hey, anyone notice that Gary Mitchell has the same number of letters in each name as John Harrison?

cooleddie74 · December 13 2012, 09:28 PM

Hmmm....first name of one Beatle and the last name of another, and both of them dead? That can't be coincidence.

(*listens to backward tracks on the White Album*)

FreddyE · December 14 2012, 09:49 AM

Matt S wrote:

This is Khan. This is the ONLY Khan. If you disagree, feel free to quit star trek

Do you have to be so rude?

teacake · December 14 2012, 11:37 AM

SantaEddie74 wrote:

Hmmm....first name of one Beatle and the last name of another, and both of them dead? That can't be coincidence.

(*listens to backward tracks on the White Album*)

AND he is in a film with the last name of ANOTHER Beatle in the title!!!!

JarodRussell · December 14 2012, 08:34 PM

FreddyE wrote:

Matt S wrote:

This is Khan. This is the ONLY Khan. If you disagree, feel free to quit star trek

Do you have to be so rude?

If by "rude" you mean "right", yes he does.

December 13 2012, 06:45 PM	#138
JarodRussell Vice Admiral	Re: New Info! (Bad Robot press event/villain ID'd, etc.) SPOILERS Carol Marcus being in Starfleet, and on the Enterprise, is another one of those silly small universe syndrome ideas. In the Prime universe, it's highly unlikely. She and her whole group were shown to be civilian scientists, and her son had a hatred against anything Starfleet (which certainly would have played out differently when "she was one of them once"). __________________ lol l /\

December 13 2012, 08:48 PM	#143
JarodRussell Vice Admiral	Re: New Info! (Bad Robot press event/villain ID'd, etc.) SPOILERS Not canon fact exactly, but it would fit pretty well. __________________ lol l /\

December 13 2012, 09:01 PM	#144
cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Location: The Warped Sector of the Demented Quadrant	Re: New Info! (Bad Robot press event/villain ID'd, etc.) SPOILERS Yeah, it was never said on-screen that Gary hooked Kirk up with a blonde lab technician named Carol Marcus, but lots of fans over the years have made the connection between the two due to Carol's hair color and the fact that she and Kirk were romantically involved around the same time the future captain and Mitchell were ganging up for their shenanigans and exploits. I've assumed for a long, long time that the blonde lab technician was Carol, but for the record no episode or film ever explicitly stated it. __________________ This shirt is dry clean only. Which means it's dirty. -Mitch Hedberg

December 13 2012, 09:20 PM	#145
Mr Awe Rear Admiral	Re: New Info! SPOILERS Hey, anyone notice that Gary Mitchell has the same number of letters in each name as John Harrison?

December 13 2012, 09:28 PM	#147
cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Location: The Warped Sector of the Demented Quadrant	Re: New Info! (Bad Robot press event/villain ID'd, etc.) SPOILERS Hmmm....first name of one Beatle and the last name of another, and both of them dead? That can't be coincidence. (listens to backward tracks on the White Album) __________________ This shirt is dry clean only. Which means it's dirty. -Mitch Hedberg

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