Is WB simply afraid of Wonder Woman?

[Nerys Myk]

Greg Cox wrote:

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FYI: EW.com has an update on the CW's proposed teen Wonder Woman series, tentatively titled Amazon. Apparently they haven't green-lighted a pilot yet, but they're starting to think about casting.

Could work as a companion series to ARROW. Certainly TV has been a lot more hospitable to female action heroes than movies have: Xena, Alias, Buffy, Nikita (twice), etc.

Not to mention a certain iconic TV series back in the seventies . . ..

Bionic Woman? Isis? Charlie's Angels?

[Sindatur]

Greg Cox wrote:

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Not to mention a certain iconic TV series back in the seventies . . ..

Bionic Woman..Isis...Electro Woman and Dyna Girl?

ETA: LOL, I see Nerys Mike had the same idea

[TheMasterOfOrion]

WB and DC is being managed by idiots, sure there are lots at Marvel, Fox etc but the ones at WB/DC have totally mismanaged projects and wasted millions on turkeys

[theenglish]

TheMasterOfOrion wrote:

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WB and DC is being managed by idiots, sure there are lots at Marvel, Fox etc but the ones at WB/DC have totally mismanaged projects and wasted millions on turkeys

Literally? Where are all these turkeys?

[Guy Gardener]

You ate one for thanksgiving?

[TheMasterOfOrion]

Bryan's angsty Superman, ok it actually made money but it took a long, long while with an over bloated production budget of $310 million, One of the most EXPENSIVE movies of all time

Constantine would have flopped if not for dvd release and foreign theater sales The Spirit, awful....not exactly DC... comic fits into their Vertigo/Wildstorm cousin companies

Catwoman bombed, a box office turkey

Hex a turkey, got Megan Fox for eye candy but considered one of the worst movies released in 2010. Another turkey

Green Lantern a financial flop, cost WB and DC Millions of bucks

Wonder Woman tv show, badly managed, never gets to see the light of day

[theenglish]

TheMasterOfOrion wrote:

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Bryan's angsty Superman, ok it actually made money but it took a long, long while with an over bloated production budget of $310 million, One of the most EXPENSIVE movies of all time

Constantine would have flopped if not for dvd release and foreign theater sales The Spirit, awful....not exactly DC... comic fits into their Vertigo/Wildstorm cousin companies

Catwoman bombed, a box office turkey

Hex a turkey, got Megan Fox for eye candy but considered one of the worst movies released in 2010. Another turkey

Green Lantern a financial flop, cost WB and DC Millions of bucks

Wonder Woman tv show, badly managed, never gets to see the light of day

Figuratively (not literally) these were turkeys.

[Professor Zoom]

TheMasterOfOrion wrote:

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Bryan's angsty Superman, ok it actually made money but it took a long, long while with an over bloated production budget of $310 million, One of the most EXPENSIVE movies of all time

Constantine would have flopped if not for dvd release and foreign theater sales The Spirit, awful....not exactly DC... comic fits into their Vertigo/Wildstorm cousin companies

Catwoman bombed, a box office turkey

Hex a turkey, got Megan Fox for eye candy but considered one of the worst movies released in 2010. Another turkey

Green Lantern a financial flop, cost WB and DC Millions of bucks

Wonder Woman tv show, badly managed, never gets to see the light of day

Of course, then there's Batman... and the animated direct to DVD... and the TV shows... those all have done well.

[M'rk, son of Mogh]

TheMasterOfOrion wrote:

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Bryan's angsty Superman, ok it actually made money but it took a long, long while with an over bloated production budget of $310 million, One of the most EXPENSIVE movies of all time

That sounds a bit misleading, as we all know $310 million wasn't used by Superman Returns.

It was used by Superman Reborn, Superman Lives, Superman: The Man of Steel, Superman: Flyby, etc etc.

It really isn't fair to mention Singer with that budget.

But it really does help to illustrate the point WB has NO clue what they're doing. They had huge names in film making attached to those movies at one time or another and had no idea what to do with any of it.

[Guy Gardener]

`They already made the perfect Superman movie back in 1979, anything after that would be redundant and redundant.

[Professor Zoom]

M'rk, son of Mogh wrote:

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That sounds a bit misleading, as we all know $310 million wasn't used by Superman Returns.

It was used by Superman Reborn, Superman Lives, Superman: The Man of Steel, Superman: Flyby, etc etc.

It really isn't fair to mention Singer with that budget.

It might not be fair but it was the reality for that film.

But it really does help to illustrate the point WB has NO clue what they're doing. They had huge names in film making attached to those movies at one time or another and had no idea what to do with any of it.

I, for one, recognize that the WB DID know what they were doing when they killed Burton/Cage's Superman.

[Ian Keldon]

Guy Gardener wrote:

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`They already made the perfect Superman movie back in 1979, anything after that would be redundant and redundant.

Agree with the first half.

[billcosby]

Woman Wonder is terrifying.
Although I saw a cat calendar the other day and one of the cats was dressed as Woman Wonder. It was so appropriate, she should have been a cat from day 1!

[Guy Gardener]

Streaky the Wonder Cat, actually hung out with Supergirl.

[Aeronef]

Gaith wrote:

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I can't really relate to men or women doing that, as those aren't exactly traits/skills of mine. But while seeing male characters doing so can serve as wish fulfillment/projection fantasies for me personally, female characters can't.

I think this is actually a significant problem. But I also think it can be solved by paying careful attention to the male supporting roles. Since we can't fulfill the usual (male) fantasies, the filmmakers have to find some other fantasy to fulfill.

Now: most guys, at some point in their lives, have crushed on some girl or woman who was way out of their league.

So: we create a male supporting character--a spear carrier who is kind of nerdy, kind of geeky, kind of awkward. Not terribly so, but enough to be noticeable--especially around Wonder Woman.

He is smitten with her, but she doesn't pay much attention to him--at first. He knows his cause is hopeless, but he nonetheless strives to make himself helpful and useful--to be good friend. Gradually, Wonder Woman notices him, and starts to consider him a valuable comrade--even encouraging him to live up to the potential that only she can see.

Then, at a critical moment, he intervenes decisively to rescue or save her--ideally, almost getting himself killed in the process. She then goes on to defeat the villain, save the world, and get all the credit--but Wonder Woman's thanks and respect make her spear-carrier the envy of his (male) peers.

In the end, the boy doesn't get the (super) girl--but he does prove himself a man. And the fantasies of millions of male comic-book readers are fulfilled. If you can work in some kind of Leia-kissing-Luke-to-spite-Han moment, so much the better.

I'm not actually all that familiar with Wonder Woman--I've never read the comic, and my memories of the TV show are dim--so I don't know if there's a character in her supporting cast who could fill this role. But it seems like the most obvious approach.