And Cumberbatch's Character Is? [spoilers] - Page 8

DigificWriter · December 12 2012, 05:09 AM

All of this back-and-forth stuff re: people trying to read way too much into this character's name is starting to leave me rather annoyed. It's obvious that Roberto Orci, way back when he gave the interview in which he said/hinted that Cumberbatch's character was from established TOS lore, did a classic switcheroo by telling us that Alice Eve's character was new to canon and Cumberbatch's character was taken from TOS lore when the opposite is actually true.

AJBlue98 · December 12 2012, 06:40 AM

DigificWriter wrote:

…It's obvious that Roberto Orci, way back when he gave the interview in which he said/hinted that Cumberbatch's character was from established TOS lore, did a classic switcheroo by telling us that Alice Eve's character was new to canon and Cumberbatch's character was taken from TOS lore when the opposite is actually true.

Now that’s a stretch. Remember that Orci later commented that he misspoke with regards to one of those characters. Clearly Cumberbatch is Harrison the extra from TOS; Orci misspoke about Alice Eve cum Carol Marcus being a new character.

Vektor wrote:

…If my other theory is correct, that Cumbebatch is not playing the ultimate villain in this movie, then all bets are off.

The “ultimate villain?”

Vektor · December 12 2012, 07:21 AM

AJBlue98 wrote:

The “ultimate villain?”

Well, another villain besides Cumberbatch, anyway.

AJBlue98 · December 13 2012, 07:42 AM

AJBlue98 wrote:

DigificWriter wrote:

…It's obvious that Roberto Orci, way back when he gave the interview in which he said/hinted that Cumberbatch's character was from established TOS lore, did a classic switcheroo by telling us that Alice Eve's character was new to canon and Cumberbatch's character was taken from TOS lore when the opposite is actually true.

Now that’s a stretch. Remember that Orci later commented that he misspoke with regards to one of those characters. Clearly Cumberbatch is Harrison the extra from TOS; Orci misspoke about Alice Eve cum Carol Marcus being a new character.

Not to be too gauche, but I must recant my above argument, at least in part. I now am of the opinion that rather than Redshirt Harrison from TOS, John Harrison is in fact Johnny, the kid on the side of the road at the beginning of Star Trek (2009). Frankly, this scenario makes much more sense than J.J. having bombed the typecasting of a Star Trek (the original series) extra-cum-supervillain.

137th Gebirg · December 13 2012, 02:38 PM

I thought of that too initially, but J.J. specifically said that the villain would be from TOS. Johnny is not from TOS.

Admiral Buzzkill · December 13 2012, 03:06 PM

It's Khan.

AJBlue98 · December 13 2012, 03:46 PM

137th Gebirg wrote:

I thought of that too initially, but J.J. specifically said that the villain would be from TOS. Johnny is not from TOS.

True, but as I posted on another thread:

AJBlue98 wrote:

…As for Orci’s admitted having lied about one of the characters in the TrekMovie.com interview, I can easily imagine myself having been asked that question, focusing in the moment on the word “canon” and completely missing the “original Star Trek” [sic] part. In that case, I would have answered, “canon,” for Harrison, thinking of Johnny having been added to the canon in Star Trek (2009), and I think that’s what Bob Orci did, then after re-reading the question in the article and realizing his error he commented on it.

In fact, that sounds exactly like something I would do, especially in his shoes.

ralph · December 13 2012, 04:03 PM

Trek Movie guess: Khan.

My God. Is that true? Harrison Khan?

Devon · December 13 2012, 04:34 PM

DigificWriter wrote:

did a classic switcheroo by telling us that Alice Eve's character was new to canon

Robert Orci never said that Alice's character was new to canon. In fact....

TrekMovie.com: OK let’s start with Alice Eve. Canon or new?

Roberto Orci: Canon

http://trekmovie.com/2012/07/14/excl...st-production/

SalvorHardin · December 13 2012, 04:37 PM

ralph wrote:

Trek Movie guess: Khan.

My God. Is that true? Harrison Khan?

That would be Khan John Noonien Singh Harrison the first to you.

urbandk · December 13 2012, 04:42 PM

Khan John's Surf Shop

December 12 2012, 05:09 AM	#106
DigificWriter Rear Admiral Location: West Haven, UT, USA	Re: And Cumberbatch's Character Is? [spoilers] All of this back-and-forth stuff re: people trying to read way too much into this character's name is starting to leave me rather annoyed. It's obvious that Roberto Orci, way back when he gave the interview in which he said/hinted that Cumberbatch's character was from established TOS lore, did a classic switcheroo by telling us that Alice Eve's character was new to canon and Cumberbatch's character was taken from TOS lore when the opposite is actually true. __________________ Starbuck: We're all friendlies. So, let's just... be friendly. "Ze director's cut is ze film you saw in ze theater."

December 13 2012, 02:38 PM	#110
137th Gebirg Rear Admiral Location: Who is John Galt?	Re: And Cumberbatch's Character Is? [spoilers] I thought of that too initially, but J.J. specifically said that the villain would be from TOS. Johnny is not from TOS. __________________ Gebirgswick - Ind, Tra, Sec & Env.

December 13 2012, 03:06 PM	#111
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: And Cumberbatch's Character Is? [spoilers] It's Khan. __________________ "I think [J.J. Abrams has] done a great thing for Star Trek. I’m very grateful to him. We all owe him a lot. When someone comes along like he has done and picks it up and elevates it, we should be grateful." - Leonard Nimoy

December 13 2012, 04:03 PM	#113
ralph Commander Location: Brazil	Re: And Cumberbatch's Character Is? [spoilers] Trek Movie guess: Khan. My God. Is that true? Harrison Khan? __________________ Ralph Pinheiro

December 13 2012, 04:42 PM	#116
urbandk Commodore Location: the European "canon" is here	Re: And Cumberbatch's Character Is? [spoilers] Khan John's Surf Shop __________________

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