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Old December 12 2012, 04:08 AM   #16
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Re: Someone to Watch Over Me

Maybe he already was that man and that's why she was attracted to him. Maybe he represented every single non-betazoid's hidden response to her saying "I sense you are feeling.." Maybe he was her big brown karma payback.

Following the breakup and after extensive therapy at a Betazoid "rest" colony Deanna moves up a notch to Riker, the one she had pushed away in favor of pursuing that hatred she'd always felt just under the surface of every single person she'd ever worked with.
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Old December 12 2012, 04:37 AM   #17
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Man, if only they'd had a scene in TNG where Troi limps to sickbay, badly injured, and there's a moment where they both wordlessly realize it's over.
That would have come off more as a comedy than a tragedy.

If Seven was going to have a love interest in Voyager I think Kim would have worked the best. They had the established attraction and the whole aggressive woman/passive man thing.
Please tell me you are joking! Kim was one of the biggest losers in the entire Trek franchise.

Seven should have stayed single.
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Old December 12 2012, 05:24 AM   #18
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Seven wasn't single. She was two timing on Auxum with Chuckles.
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Old December 12 2012, 06:13 AM   #19
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Seven should have stayed single.
She should have in that "looking back on it, I wasn't ready for a relationship.." way, but really it's all grist for her learning curve. And Chak is the perfect starter package. Kind, stupidly patient, easy to break up with. Won't hurt her. He's her training wheels boyfriend.

Whatever was going on with Auxum was happening in some fairytale escape garden. It's probably helped propel her to the point of wanting a relationship but it's not taught her much if anything about being in one, in real life.
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Old December 12 2012, 07:20 AM   #20
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There's a point where you have to say "I can no longer date people 2 decades my senior. Seven wasn't there yet as she was only hovering towards 30, but she had some daddy issues to work out before she found some reprobate who was age appropriate."

The Doctor while freejacking wee Anika tried to propell her into a Lesbian tryst with the amazing Megan Gallagher.

I suppose that she might be able to forgive the Doctor for trying to make her have sex with a woman... No? But he didn't follow through. Only because Megan's character wasn't into girls, he was clitblocked, but if it's the thought/intention that counts, then he's an asshole with no respect for other people... I was going to say that forcing her to eat multiple ice cream sundaes was a more vile offense than using the Borgette as an unwilling sex muppet, because he followed that violation though to it's conclusive finality... Potato, potato.

Why on earth would she want to even hang out with a quasirapist that did that to her?

It's like that time that guy borrowed your car for a few days and it came back full of junk food wrappers and cigarette ash.
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Old December 12 2012, 09:22 AM   #21
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Why on earth would she want to even hang out with a quasirapist that did that to her?
Because 7 understands all too well what it is to experience a sensory pleasure for the first time. She gets it that the EMH went nuts with the opportunity. She's angry with him, but relates to the experience of existing in one state and suddenly, dramatically being in a completely different state.

With your car analogy it would be more like you lend someone your car who has been in prison for 30 years and when they return it to you it is full of the debris of their madness of freedom. And you're pissed off but you also get it.
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Old December 12 2012, 09:40 AM   #22
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I remember just liking this episode when it aired, but my favorite voyager moment came when the Doctor and Seven of Nine sung You are My Sunshine. What a wonderful rendition of that song.

Over time the episode has become one of my favorites, even though I still don't like the Neelix subplot with the ambassador. It reminded me too much of Liaisons from TNG, and I didn't like that episode either.
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Old December 12 2012, 10:21 AM   #23
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Why on earth would she want to even hang out with a quasirapist that did that to her?
Because 7 understands all too well what it is to experience a sensory pleasure for the first time. She gets it that the EMH went nuts with the opportunity. She's angry with him, but relates to the experience of existing in one state and suddenly, dramatically being in a completely different state.

With your car analogy it would be more like you lend someone your car who has been in prison for 30 years and when they return it to you it is full of the debris of their madness of freedom. And you're pissed off but you also get it.
Cou-bullshit-ough!

Voyager s04e17 Retrospects is how Seven reacts to being violated, full of piss and vinegar, armed to the teeth and never going to stop till there's a dead body where there used to be an asshole who thought they could get the best of her.

That's the wonderful thing about her relationship with the Doctor, if something offends her, she can just pull it out or wind back his personality to a point that she didn't want to feed him Klingon in Engineering.

Seven could have done horrible things to the Doctor he wasn't allowed to talk about of couldn't remember until she decided otherwise... IT is just a MACHINE and IT does not deserve compassion or mercy, IT deserves to be remodelled until IT isn't an asshole.

Not only can't it learn from it's mistakes, but it makes MISTAKES like abusing his FRIENDS hospitality on purpose as a didactic moral play to keep the crew entertained. IT fucks up on purpose, because it's cute and makes the "humans" feel better about themselves and superior... Which is just a logical progression of how Zimmerman described the interactive facilities of the LMH were primarily used to combat spacemadness and depression.
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Old December 12 2012, 12:14 PM   #24
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Someone is really well-made but am I the only one who finds it a bit...sugary? I guess it's the nadir for any Doc/Seven haters.
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