The Walking Dead Season 3

[TREK_GOD_1]

RJDonner&Blitzen wrote:

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Maybe or maybe not. Nobody's perfect. Again, in a time of crisis, people tend to focus on their friends over strangers.

Jacqui was no stranger to Dale by that point, as the group had been together for some time. Remember, Dale's the guy running around trying to preach unity (his kind, in any case), so for Mr. Let's Preserve Humanity to focus on Andrea and not try to plead with Jacqui as well makes him appear single-minded (like a desperate teenager who gets tunnelvision), as Andrea was the target of his personal interest.

[Kegg]

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Precisely. It's what renders comemnts like this:

RJDonner&Blitzen wrote:

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And again, this happens all the time with people who are suicidal or otherwise self-destructive. You've got to keep pushing until you get through to them.

Questionable with regard to Dale as he had no interest in doing that if that someone wasn't Andrea. Dale even concedes when demanding Andrea can't die that he has a personal stake in this, that how dare she end her life when he cares about her.

[Sindatur]

I guess I need to rewatch the earlier episodes, because it seems to me, it's a bit much to claim that Dale had no relationship to Andrea and just decided to play Daddy out of nowhere. I'm prety sure I recall them being good friends, and Andrea hanging out with him, and in the RV of her own accord. Yes, she was angry at hm, for playing daddy, especially when he took her gun (That was definitely very questionable, considering the Zombie dangers), but, I don't believe he inserted himself into that position without being encouraged through an already developed frienship

[wissaboo]

Sindatur wrote:

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I guess I need to rewatch the earlier episodes, because it seems to me, it's a bit much to claim that Dale had no relationship to Andrea and just decided to play Daddy out of nowhere. I'm prety sure I recall them being good friends, and Andrea hanging out with him, and in the RV of her own accord. Yes, she was angry at hm, for playing daddy, especially when he took her gun (That was definitely very questionable, considering the Zombie dangers), but, I don't believe he inserted himself into that position without being encouraged through an already developed frienship

what about when he took all the guns. Can we agree at least that it was crazy and showed his need to control everyone else's behaviour?

[Sindatur]

wissaboo wrote:

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what about when he took all the guns. Can we agree at least that it was crazy and showed his need to control everyone else's behaviour?

Oh, absolutely. I wasn't trying to defend his every action, everyone's got something we can grumble about.

I was just opposed to this idea, that Dale started trying to play Andrea's Daddy from out of nowhere, because I believe I remember them being good friends

[RJDiogenes]

^^ Right. The idea that saving somebody from suicide is creepy is just wrong.

I'm drawing a blank on Jacqui and the Wiki page doesn't help much, so I'd have to rewatch to remind myself. But, again, whatever he did or didn't do for Jacqui doesn't make what he did do for Andrea creepy.

[wissaboo]

RJDonner&Blitzen wrote:

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^^ Right. The idea that saving somebody from suicide is creepy is just wrong.

I'm drawing a blank on Jacqui and the Wiki page doesn't help much, so I'd have to rewatch to remind myself. But, again, whatever he did or didn't do for Jacqui doesn't make what he did do for Andrea creepy.

well they were all standing in the same room that is counting down to an explosion, the Dr. and Jacqui say they are going to stay and die. Andrea says she is staying too. Dale tells Andrea if she is staying he is too. Andrea leaves so Dale will leave.

Dr. and Jacqui blow up.

[Immolatus]

Lori seemed close to Jacqui, she said her goodbyes and left

[Cutter John]

* I seems pretty obvious that zombies go dormant if they haven't fed in awhile, and only become active again when they hear or spot prey. Would explain why we see so many deserted city streets and town in the show. The zombie that got Herchel is probably an example. Would explain how they can carry on for extended periods.

* I do hope the Governor gets a chance to explain his side. I've always been astounded at how anyone could think that way towards their fellow man. I'd like to at least try to understand.

* Anyone else get a George Bush vibe from his "The terrorists want to destroy our freedom!" vibe?

* Don't see Merle coming back to the group. He'd turn into Shane 2.0 pretty darn quickly. My guess? He turns on the Governor and they both go out together.

* Maybe I'm too civilized to survive a zombie apocolypse. I hate how people are constantly killing one another and happily turning away survivors unless they prove themselves useful. Humanities going to have a hard enough time recovering without us doing the zombies work for them.
Assuming anyone survives, it looks like society is in for several centuries of tribalism and small-time warlords fighting amongst themselves.


* As for the end of the series? Anything but "And they all died. The end."
Actually, a "Ten Years Later..." title card featuring a small walled town with plowed fields of crops, and kids and dogs playing in the street would be my preferred end. Nothing definate, but very, very hopeful.

[RJDiogenes]

^^ Yeah, I caught that George Bush homage.

wissaboo wrote:

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well they were all standing in the same room that is counting down to an explosion, the Dr. and Jacqui say they are going to stay and die. Andrea says she is staying too. Dale tells Andrea if she is staying he is too. Andrea leaves so Dale will leave.

Dr. and Jacqui blow up.

So he didn't try to save the doctor, either. With only a few seconds to act, he focused on his friend. That's pretty much what anyone would do. Anybody but Lori, anyway.

[Snowlilly]

Cutter John wrote:

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* Maybe I'm too civilized to survive a zombie apocolypse. I hate how people are constantly killing one another and happily turning away survivors who don't prove themselves useful. Humanities going to have a hard enough time recovering without us doing the zombies work for them.
Assuming anyone survives, it looks like humanity is in for several centuries of tribalism and small-time warlords fighting amongst themselves.

I so agree with you on that.......I have been thinking the same thing too.

[propita]

I know I wouldn't last long in a ZA. Meds. Or lack thereof.

That's why everyone in zombie shows and those like Revolution look so good (overall). Anyone with chronic health issues tends to die within a year. Glasses, bad teeth (to a point), etc? Fine. Diabetes or anything requiring continuing meds? Dead.

[Mister Fandango]

And with limited resources and a lack of an ability to set up a safe, long-term settlement to grow crops and the like, you better believe the people willing to kill and murder are going to be setting the trend. ''Civilized'' people aren't going to last long in such an environment.

Of all the things zombie movies get wrong, that's really not one of them.

[TREK_GOD_1]

RJDonner&Blitzen wrote:

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So he didn't try to save the doctor, either. With only a few seconds to act, he focused on his friend. That's pretty much what anyone would do. Anybody but Lori, anyway.

Again, Dale was the Lets Stay United / Sake of Humanity resident bleeding heart, and he knew Jacqui--she was no stranger or newbie to the Atlanta group. He focused on Andrea because he had less than honorable intentions toward her, as his post-CDC behavior would prove. That's why he was so bug-eyed pissy when he detected her relationship with Shane--his would-be liberal fantasy girl had become the wannabe gunslinger with a taste for a brutal ex-cop/hayseed.

[TREK_GOD_1]

wissaboo wrote:

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what about when he took all the guns. Can we agree at least that it was crazy and showed his need to control everyone else's behaviour?

Another good character point to expose: somehow--in the daisies and sunshine legal corners of Dale's mind--he thought it wise to hide the groups primary defense....in the middle of a global zombie outbreak. That made him a threat, as his one-sided ideologue schtick--thinking he could make decisions for everyone else--could have cost the group at any moment.

Whether it was his horny BS about the ever-disinterested Andrea, or playing the last aging hippie protester, Dale had problems.