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Old December 11 2012, 05:14 PM   #841
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Now, am i the only one who thinks a starship underwater slowly ascending is damn cool!?
I think it's utter absurd for a number reasons but I digress.
1, You may think it's absurd, but following the history, logic and science of all (canon) Trek, it is possible.

2, JJ (and Paramount, et al) need (again) to make a Trek movie that will bring in the movie going audience (not just the Trek audience) to keep making more. IF every so called Trek fan didn't go to this movie and every other movie going person did (because they see this as an action/adventure/sci-fi/fun film), the movie would be a blockbuster. It's lucky that they do keep Trek alive. In this time, you have to update to be a viable franchise, something B&B did not understand in Voyager and Enterprise. It was the same thing.
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Old December 11 2012, 05:17 PM   #842
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I'm still waiting for at least a few reasons why a submerged Enterprise would be so impossible and absurd.
All I keep seeing is people give reasons why it's possible and how it has happened before.
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Old December 11 2012, 05:20 PM   #843
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A starship being underwater is absurd! Now a ship warping space in order to travel light-years in mere minutes, that's perfectly acceptable...
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Old December 11 2012, 05:20 PM   #844
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I'm still waiting for at least a few reasons why a submerged Enterprise would be so impossible and absurd.
All I keep seeing is people give reasons why it's possible and how it has happened before.
I was going to say the shuttle bay and the comms system. But the comms work fine over incredible distances so the foreshortening through the water would still carry it more than far enough. And the shuttlebay has a forcefield so...yeah I'm good.
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Old December 11 2012, 05:37 PM   #845
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I'm still waiting for at least a few reasons why a submerged Enterprise would be so impossible and absurd.
All I keep seeing is people give reasons why it's possible and how it has happened before.
Someone gave these possibilities:

1. Enterprise's phasers needed down there to disrupt the volcano.

2. Hiding from another space-faring species that may be trying to stop them.

3. Ship had a problem maintaining orbit so they had to hide (from locals) while being repaired
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Old December 11 2012, 06:04 PM   #846
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Chekov in RED?? Canon violation!
Maybe that means he'll be going the way of the Redshirt in this movie ... I wouldn't mind. He was extremely annoying in the first move!
I figured he was going to be in red, then killed off. If Cumberbatch was playing Khan, they STILL would never have met.
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Old December 11 2012, 06:29 PM   #847
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A starship being underwater is absurd! Now a ship warping space in order to travel light-years in mere minutes, that's perfectly acceptable...
And using the magic crystals known as 'dilithium' to do it.
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Old December 11 2012, 06:30 PM   #848
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Now, am i the only one who thinks a starship underwater slowly ascending is damn cool!?
I think it's utter absurd for a number reasons but I digress.
They copied Star Trek: Insurrection. Did anyone care then? Or is hiding a village-sized holoship from the natives underwater somehow okay, but doing the same with the Enterprise not?
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Old December 11 2012, 06:38 PM   #849
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They copied Star Trek: Insurrection. Did anyone care then? Or is hiding a village-sized holoship from the natives underwater somehow okay, but doing the same with the Enterprise not?
I had forgotten about that. The only other reference of this happening I could initially remember was the Delta Flyer on Voyager in 30 Days. But you're right - in fact the holoship only only sat at the bottom of the lake but then went into orbit. Too bad that the writers/producers of Insurrection didn't actually show that ascension. That would have been cool.

edited to add: However IIRC the ship was not completely submerged.
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Old December 11 2012, 08:57 PM   #850
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They copied Star Trek: Insurrection. Did anyone care then? Or is hiding a village-sized holoship from the natives underwater somehow okay, but doing the same with the Enterprise not?
I had forgotten about that. The only other reference of this happening I could initially remember was the Delta Flyer on Voyager in 30 Days. But you're right - in fact the holoship only only sat at the bottom of the lake but then went into orbit. Too bad that the writers/producers of Insurrection didn't actually show that ascension. That would have been cool.

edited to add: However IIRC the ship was not completely submerged.
It was completely submerged until they drained the lake so that they could get access to it.
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Old December 11 2012, 08:58 PM   #851
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Yeah, the holoship was completely beneath the surface of the Ba'ku lake until Data accessed the nearby water pumping system and drained enough of the lake's content for three of them to paddle over to the ship in a raft and find an access hatch.
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Old December 11 2012, 09:04 PM   #852
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Yup, it traveled at warp from whatever Starfleet facility built it, entered the atmosphere, flew to the lake, soft landed and settled on the bottom, with all systems running and had the simulation of the Baku village running while underwater for possibly weeks.

And it was just a small portable holodeck with warp engines.
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Old December 11 2012, 10:47 PM   #853
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Now, am i the only one who thinks a starship underwater slowly ascending is damn cool!?
I think it's utter absurd for a number reasons but I digress.
They copied Star Trek: Insurrection. Did anyone care then? Or is hiding a village-sized holoship from the natives underwater somehow okay, but doing the same with the Enterprise not?
So had they submerged the Enterprise-E inside the lake for whatever reason in that film, you would have said "Ok" ?
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Old December 11 2012, 10:58 PM   #854
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If it was in any way germane to the story, sure. Why not?
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Old December 11 2012, 11:24 PM   #855
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I caught the end of the Stargate SG-1 episode "Gemini" earlier today, and they played the music from the Trek teaser (or something VERY similar) when Replicator Sam attacked. I guess it wasn't borrowed from Inception (even if that's what made the whole *BUUUUUH!* *pause* *BUUUUUUH!* thing popular)
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