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Old December 11 2012, 01:02 AM   #16
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People can think whatever they want. I choose to think things that aren't hopelessly silly.
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Old December 11 2012, 01:05 AM   #17
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Of course we can think whatever we want. I'm simply trying to understand why you think it is so stupid and silly.

If you don't want to elaborate, life will still go on.
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Old December 11 2012, 01:06 AM   #18
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I'm so SO glad they opted for an original character. It gives me even more to look forward to with this movie.
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Old December 11 2012, 01:12 AM   #19
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^ Obviously? How do you figure?
Because it's ridiculously stupid, that's why.
What makes it so ridiculously stupid exactly? I'm curious.

If you can't understand why I think that, I'm not going to explain it to you.
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Old December 11 2012, 01:14 AM   #20
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You don't really know why, do you?
It's ok...moving on
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Old December 11 2012, 01:16 AM   #21
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^ Unless Cumby's character's name is never actually revealed in the film, I don't see what there is to "assume". Either he is Harrison or not; either he is Garth or not; etc. Whatever his name is said to be, that IS who he is. What's to assume?
They've already done that in Lost with the Man in Black. It frustrated people (including myself) to no end that he wasn't even given a first name.
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Old December 11 2012, 01:16 AM   #22
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You don't really know why, do you?
It's ok...moving on
Please don't presume to think for me, thank you.
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Old December 11 2012, 01:21 AM   #23
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Because it's ridiculously stupid, that's why.
Wouldn't be the first time.


I doubt Orci and Kurtzman even knew who this Lt. Harrison joker was.
How do you know? They have access to information at Paramount that we are not privy of. It could have been that Roddenberry had a backstory for Lt Harrison kept in the archives. Only Orci and Kurtzman would have knowledge of this.
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Old December 11 2012, 01:22 AM   #24
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How do you know? They have access to information at Paramount that we are not privy of. It could have been that Roddenberry had a backstory for Lt Harrison kept in the archives. Only Orci and Kurtzman would have knowledge of this.
Uh-huh. Why would they give a fuck about Roddenberry?
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Old December 11 2012, 01:22 AM   #25
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All that mystery for John Harrison? I don't know...I think it might be another diversion. Otherwise, JJ was being completely ridiculous by keeping the name hidden for so long.
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Old December 11 2012, 01:26 AM   #26
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All that mystery for John Harrison? I don't know...I think it might be another diversion. Otherwise, JJ was being completely ridiculous by keeping the name hidden for so long.
Unless it's not actually his real name and merely a pseudonym he goes by throughout the movie? (it's not like Darth Vader was ever directly addressed or billed as Anakin Skywalker in the original Star Wars trilogy)

Hell, he could even fill the Shinzon or Sybok profile, in that he has a particularly personal (initially unrevealed, presumably) connection to one of the characters or is connected to a well known character introduced in the prime verse.
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Old December 11 2012, 01:39 AM   #27
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The preview has me convinced that he's Garth. Cumberbatch was carrying himself with the regal madness of a great man who has fallen. To me that screams the Hero of Axanar more than Mitchell.
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Old December 11 2012, 01:43 AM   #28
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I will say it's possible it's a pseudonym, but I also think they've been playing on the fact that everyone assumes it's going to be a retread villain. They put obvious imagery in the teaser indicating BOTH Khan and Mitchell, the two most popular theories. I am actually MORE excited that it's a new character because now they're actually EXPANDING the Star Trek universe rather than continuing to play in the already established stuff. Why would you reboot a universe to tell a slightly different version of the same story?
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Old December 11 2012, 01:45 AM   #29
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All that mystery for John Harrison? I don't know...I think it might be another diversion. Otherwise, JJ was being completely ridiculous by keeping the name hidden for so long.
This was posted over at Trekmovie a few moments ago. It makes sense. Here it is:


[Trekkies, Pay attention to this post by:
311. Jack Zymurgy – December 10, 2012

I didn’t see this posted above. Here is the Memory Alpha entry for Lt. Harrison, who looks like Benicio Del Toro:

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Harrison

Congratulations Jack, you found our villain.
Oric said it was some one from TOS, and he didn’t lie.
Fan boys started mulling over all the major villains, having conniptions as actors were announced to be in the running for the role.

Now we can understand why they were originally looking for specific ethic types: To better fit the role of the lowly Lt. Harrison, who in this new timeline becomes the most dreaded and feared man ever to live and brings the Federation down to it’s knee’s.
Some one we know absolutely NOTHING ABOUT.

But was there in canon.

Would it have fit better if they found ome one that looked like the original actor who played Harrison, sure,
but being such a minor unnoticed player, and running out of time to find the right actor, they simply found a solid actor who can portray this guy and hand in a grand performance….which is what really counts]
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Old December 11 2012, 01:50 AM   #30
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I must admit, the idea that a quiet, good but unspectacular officer becomes this awesome engine of destruction in another life is pretty cool.
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