Original baddie?

[Temis the Vorta]

If they wanted to do original characters, why bring back Kirk and Spock and the rest? the game plan is reviving old characters (and other major things like planets and starships) and mixing it up enough that new stories can be assembled out of the old parts. Works for me. As long as the story is new, there will be dramatic tension.

[AJBlue98]

Yeah, the more I think about Khan, the less I think Cumberbatch’s playing that character. JJ’s always been about making Trek accessible. If I was trying to do that, the last thing I’d do was have my existing fan base drooling over the “best Trek bAD GUY EVAR!!!!!!!” </point>

[Neumann]

Oh temis! right on the spot!

[Sindatur]

Tom wrote:

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One thing I have noticed is the the character seems to tie in strongly with Spock. the glass scene in the Japanese trailer is supposablly Cumby and Spock, not Kirk and Spock as mentioned be someone that has seen the next trailer. Also, Cumby looks just like a human version of Spock, the body and the dark hair. So what if the 'Enemy Within' happened with Spock and not Kirk?? Spock was split into a Vulcan side and a human side (Cumby). It's and interesting senario. It also explains why JJ can't publicly name the villian yet.

That's actually a very fascinating idea, I would be very interested in that.

[Kpnuts]

Kpnuts wrote:

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I keep hearing all this endless, repetitive chat about BC's character being either Mitchell, Garth etc...

Has anyone actually considered that just maybe, he's an original character?

Looks like I was right.

Wow JJ and the rest must be laughing their arses off

[The Wormhole]

Kpnuts wrote:

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Looks like I was right.

Wow JJ and the rest must be laughing their arses off

Actually, there was a bridge officer named Harrison in TOS. Cumberbatch's shirt has the Starfleet insignia. So he's not an original character, just an incredibly obscure one.

[Jackson_Roykirk]

The Wormhole wrote:

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Actually, there was a bridge officer named Harrison in TOS. Cumberbatch's shirt has the Starfleet insignia. So he's not an original character, just an incredibly obscure one.

Then again, "Harrison" is a relatively common name, and Cumberbatch's Harrison could be a completely different person than the TOS extra named in Space Seed.

[Shilliam Watner]

Jackson_Roykirk wrote:

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Then again, "Harrison" is a relatively common name, and Cumberbatch's Harrison could be a completely different person than the TOS extra named in Space Seed.

Interesting:
Lt Harrison (Ron Veto) appeared in 27 episodes of the original series compared to Lt Kyle (John Winston) who appeared in 11.

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Shilliam Watner wrote:

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Interesting:
Lt Harrison (Ron Veto) appeared in 27 episodes of the original series compared to Lt Kyle (John Winston) who appeared in 11.

I may be wrong, but I don't think Ron Veto's character's name was ever 100% positively attributed to him as being 'Lt. Harrison".

From what I understand, the only mention of Harrison's name was in Space Seed, and even then it was not 100% positive that Veto's character was the one referred to as "Harrison"...

...In the scene when his name was mentioned, Khan had turned off the air supply to the bridge, and the people on the bridge were all going unconscious. Kirk was almost unconscious, but was giving a log entry (possibly his last before he dies) in which he was giving commendations to the bridge officers -- the camera was panning over TWO bridge officers lying unconscious while Kirk said "commendations to...Technicians First Class Thule and Harrison".

However, because both were on the screen simultaneously, we can't be sure which was Thule and which was Harrison -- although if Kirk spoke the names in order that they were sprawled out around him, Veto was Harrison.


...by the way, the sources of information I saw (memory-alpha and IMDB) says that Veto was in 13 episodes, not 27.

[Kpnuts]

Amazing quite how much all that speculation about how it ABSOLUTELY HAD to be a big name canon character was a waste of time. Hilarious really

[Shilliam Watner]

Jackson_Roykirk wrote:

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...by the way, the sources of information I saw (memory-alpha and IMDB) says that Veto was in 13 episodes, not 27.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Ron_Veto

Ron Veto


...as Harrison Ron Veto was an actor of Hawaiian origin, who portrayed Harrison


Appearances


This list contains 27 items

• TOS: (27)
  • "The Corbomite Maneuver"
  • "Mudd's Women"
  • "The Enemy Within" (scene deleted)
  • "The Naked Time"
  • "Charlie X"
  • "Balance of Terror"
  • "The Conscience of the King"
  • "The Galileo Seven"
  • "The Menagerie, Part II"
  • "Shore Leave"
  • "Arena"
  • "The Alternative Factor"
  • "The Return of the Archons"
  • "A Taste of Armageddon"
  • "Space Seed"
  • "This Side of Paradise"
  • "The Devil in the Dark"
  • "Errand of Mercy" (also as an Organian villager)
  • "The City on the Edge of Forever" (stock footage only)
  • "Operation -- Annihilate!"
  • "Metamorphosis" (stock footage only)
  • "The Omega Glory" (stock footage only)
  • "Elaan of Troyius" (stock footage only)
  • "And the Children Shall Lead" (stock footage only)
  • "Spock's Brain" (stock footage only)
  • "The Cloud Minders" (stock footage only)
  • "Turnabout Intruder" (stock footage only)

[StarMan]

Not Khan? Not Mitchell? Not Garth? Not possible! How dare TPTB mislead us by only *now* divulging the name of the villain.

And to think they made it seem so obvious the villain was who I wanted it to be. I don't know who John Harrison is, but *I* didn't predict him.

Pft.

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Shilliam Watner wrote:

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http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Ron_Veto

Ron Veto


...as Harrison Ron Veto was an actor of Hawaiian origin, who portrayed Harrison


Appearances


This list contains 27 items

• TOS: (27)
  • "The Corbomite Maneuver"
  • "Mudd's Women"
  • "The Enemy Within" (scene deleted)
  • "The Naked Time"
  • ....

Thanks for the correction. It's odd, because on memory-alpha under the entry for "Harrison" (not under the entry for "Ron Veto") they only list 13 episodes, which also matches IMDB.

My other two points are still valid:

1. There is no reason to believe Cumberbatch is playing the same guy named "Harrison", considering it is a common name -- although the movie will probably never specify one way or the other if it is the same character.

2. Considering that Harrison's name was only associated with an on-screen character once (in Space Seed), AND that identification of the character was ambiguous, we can't be 100% sure that Veto was "Harrison": There were two actors seen on the screen, and the two were identified as Thule and Harrison -- but we can't be sure which actor was Thule and which was Harrison. Therefore, Veto may have been "Thule".

Having said that, considering Kirk was naming the people in that scene in a certain order (counterclockwise around him), it does seem to follow that Veto was Harrison.

[Kpnuts]

How many people who go to see Into Darkness will be aware of who Gary Mitchell is, maybe 5% of the audience? Abrams cares more about the general movie goer. To tie Mitchell into some obscure TOS appearance is even more silly.

[Franklin]

There's another TOS Harrison. The entry below is from the Lexicon of my trusty 1976 edition of the "Star Trek Concordance".

"Harrison, Dr. (John Bellah): Young pathologist who catches the Psi 2000 virus; Spock sees him in a passageway, painting "Love Mankind" and "Sinner Repent" on the bulkheads and laughing hysterically. McCoy later calls Dr. Harrison on the intercom and gets nothing but laughter."

The entry for Veto's Harrison appears uncredited to an actor as:
"Harrison, Technician 1/C: Crewman on the bridge when Khan Noonian Singh takes over and nearly suffocates the entire bridge crew."

For what it's worth, there's a third Harrison listed. William B. Harrison (uncredited to an actor) who was the last of Captain Merik's men to die in "Bread and Circuses".