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Old December 10 2012, 02:28 AM   #31
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Re: Original baddie?

If they wanted to do original characters, why bring back Kirk and Spock and the rest? the game plan is reviving old characters (and other major things like planets and starships) and mixing it up enough that new stories can be assembled out of the old parts. Works for me. As long as the story is new, there will be dramatic tension.
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Old December 10 2012, 02:39 AM   #32
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Re: Original baddie?

Yeah, the more I think about Khan, the less I think Cumberbatch’s playing that character. JJ’s always been about making Trek accessible. If I was trying to do that, the last thing I’d do was have my existing fan base drooling over the “best Trek bAD GUY EVAR!!!!!!!” </point>
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Old December 10 2012, 02:41 AM   #33
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Oh temis! right on the spot!
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Old December 10 2012, 09:53 PM   #34
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Re: Original baddie?

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One thing I have noticed is the the character seems to tie in strongly with Spock. the glass scene in the Japanese trailer is supposablly Cumby and Spock, not Kirk and Spock as mentioned be someone that has seen the next trailer. Also, Cumby looks just like a human version of Spock, the body and the dark hair. So what if the 'Enemy Within' happened with Spock and not Kirk?? Spock was split into a Vulcan side and a human side (Cumby). It's and interesting senario. It also explains why JJ can't publicly name the villian yet.
That's actually a very fascinating idea, I would be very interested in that.
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Old December 10 2012, 10:38 PM   #35
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I keep hearing all this endless, repetitive chat about BC's character being either Mitchell, Garth etc...

Has anyone actually considered that just maybe, he's an original character?
Looks like I was right.

Wow JJ and the rest must be laughing their arses off
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Old December 10 2012, 11:48 PM   #36
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I keep hearing all this endless, repetitive chat about BC's character being either Mitchell, Garth etc...

Has anyone actually considered that just maybe, he's an original character?
Looks like I was right.

Wow JJ and the rest must be laughing their arses off
Actually, there was a bridge officer named Harrison in TOS. Cumberbatch's shirt has the Starfleet insignia. So he's not an original character, just an incredibly obscure one.
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Old December 11 2012, 12:01 AM   #37
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The Wormhole wrote: View Post
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I keep hearing all this endless, repetitive chat about BC's character being either Mitchell, Garth etc...

Has anyone actually considered that just maybe, he's an original character?
Looks like I was right.

Wow JJ and the rest must be laughing their arses off
Actually, there was a bridge officer named Harrison in TOS. Cumberbatch's shirt has the Starfleet insignia. So he's not an original character, just an incredibly obscure one.
Then again, "Harrison" is a relatively common name, and Cumberbatch's Harrison could be a completely different person than the TOS extra named in Space Seed.
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Old December 11 2012, 12:25 AM   #38
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Jackson_Roykirk wrote: View Post
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Looks like I was right.

Wow JJ and the rest must be laughing their arses off
Actually, there was a bridge officer named Harrison in TOS. Cumberbatch's shirt has the Starfleet insignia. So he's not an original character, just an incredibly obscure one.
Then again, "Harrison" is a relatively common name, and Cumberbatch's Harrison could be a completely different person than the TOS extra named in Space Seed.
Interesting:
Lt Harrison (Ron Veto) appeared in 27 episodes of the original series compared to Lt Kyle (John Winston) who appeared in 11.
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Old December 11 2012, 04:37 AM   #39
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Interesting:
Lt Harrison (Ron Veto) appeared in 27 episodes of the original series compared to Lt Kyle (John Winston) who appeared in 11.
I may be wrong, but I don't think Ron Veto's character's name was ever 100% positively attributed to him as being 'Lt. Harrison".

From what I understand, the only mention of Harrison's name was in Space Seed, and even then it was not 100% positive that Veto's character was the one referred to as "Harrison"...

...In the scene when his name was mentioned, Khan had turned off the air supply to the bridge, and the people on the bridge were all going unconscious. Kirk was almost unconscious, but was giving a log entry (possibly his last before he dies) in which he was giving commendations to the bridge officers -- the camera was panning over TWO bridge officers lying unconscious while Kirk said "commendations to...Technicians First Class Thule and Harrison".

However, because both were on the screen simultaneously, we can't be sure which was Thule and which was Harrison -- although if Kirk spoke the names in order that they were sprawled out around him, Veto was Harrison.


...by the way, the sources of information I saw (memory-alpha and IMDB) says that Veto was in 13 episodes, not 27.
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Old December 11 2012, 11:07 AM   #40
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Amazing quite how much all that speculation about how it ABSOLUTELY HAD to be a big name canon character was a waste of time. Hilarious really
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Old December 11 2012, 12:09 PM   #41
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Interesting:
Lt Harrison (Ron Veto) appeared in 27 episodes of the original series compared to Lt Kyle (John Winston) who appeared in 11.


...by the way, the sources of information I saw (memory-alpha and IMDB) says that Veto was in 13 episodes, not 27.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Ron_Veto

Ron Veto


...as Harrison Ron Veto was an actor of Hawaiian origin, who portrayed Harrison


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This list contains 27 items
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Old December 11 2012, 12:17 PM   #42
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Not Khan? Not Mitchell? Not Garth? Not possible! How dare TPTB mislead us by only *now* divulging the name of the villain.

And to think they made it seem so obvious the villain was who I wanted it to be. I don't know who John Harrison is, but *I* didn't predict him.

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Old December 11 2012, 03:00 PM   #43
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http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Ron_Veto

Ron Veto


...as Harrison Ron Veto was an actor of Hawaiian origin, who portrayed Harrison


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Thanks for the correction. It's odd, because on memory-alpha under the entry for "Harrison" (not under the entry for "Ron Veto") they only list 13 episodes, which also matches IMDB.

My other two points are still valid:

1. There is no reason to believe Cumberbatch is playing the same guy named "Harrison", considering it is a common name -- although the movie will probably never specify one way or the other if it is the same character.

2. Considering that Harrison's name was only associated with an on-screen character once (in Space Seed), AND that identification of the character was ambiguous, we can't be 100% sure that Veto was "Harrison": There were two actors seen on the screen, and the two were identified as Thule and Harrison -- but we can't be sure which actor was Thule and which was Harrison. Therefore, Veto may have been "Thule".

Having said that, considering Kirk was naming the people in that scene in a certain order (counterclockwise around him), it does seem to follow that Veto was Harrison.
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Old December 11 2012, 03:48 PM   #44
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How many people who go to see Into Darkness will be aware of who Gary Mitchell is, maybe 5% of the audience? Abrams cares more about the general movie goer. To tie Mitchell into some obscure TOS appearance is even more silly.
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Old December 11 2012, 04:52 PM   #45
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There's another TOS Harrison. The entry below is from the Lexicon of my trusty 1976 edition of the "Star Trek Concordance".

"Harrison, Dr. (John Bellah): Young pathologist who catches the Psi 2000 virus; Spock sees him in a passageway, painting "Love Mankind" and "Sinner Repent" on the bulkheads and laughing hysterically. McCoy later calls Dr. Harrison on the intercom and gets nothing but laughter."

The entry for Veto's Harrison appears uncredited to an actor as:
"Harrison, Technician 1/C: Crewman on the bridge when Khan Noonian Singh takes over and nearly suffocates the entire bridge crew."

For what it's worth, there's a third Harrison listed. William B. Harrison (uncredited to an actor) who was the last of Captain Merik's men to die in "Bread and Circuses".
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