"The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) - Page 67

Set Harth · December 8 2012, 11:05 PM

Gaith wrote:

Well, Qui-Gon obviously taught him how to spot thick ice and... oh, who am I kidding, it would have been awesome if he'd just fallen right through.

You know, if he carries Bat-Shark-Repellent, I could see a Bat-Thick-Ice-Spotter.

Gaith wrote:

the far more glaring coincidence is that Bruce Wayne and Batman make their first public appearances in years at virtually the same time.

From the timeline of the film, we at least know that Wayne was known to have done some things after the last sighting of the Batman.

JarodRussell · December 9 2012, 12:14 AM

Wayne officially died when the city was taken over. 5 months later, Batman appeared again.

Nobody but Fox, Selina and Miranda knew that Wayne returned to the city.

Bishop76 · December 9 2012, 12:16 AM

I still can't help but hear Sean Connery from the SNL Celebrity Jeopardy skits every time Bane talks...

Set Harth · December 9 2012, 12:38 AM

JarodRussell wrote:

Nobody but Fox, Selina and Miranda knew that Wayne returned to the city.

And a couple of goons...

JarodRussell · December 9 2012, 01:25 AM

Set Harth wrote:

JarodRussell wrote:

Nobody but Fox, Selina and Miranda knew that Wayne returned to the city.

And a couple of goons...

Who say stuff like "Wayne is Batman, man.", and then a couple of weeks later Batman shows up again (Blake).

Set Harth · December 9 2012, 05:49 AM

"Aren't you a little short to be Batman?"

trekkiebaggio · December 9 2012, 12:05 PM

Bane 'outtakes'

flavaflav · December 9 2012, 08:24 PM

trekkiebaggio wrote:

Bane 'outtakes'

the Bane rap is pure gold!

JD · December 10 2012, 05:29 AM

Very funny.

Flying Spaghetti Monster · December 10 2012, 06:33 AM

In Batman Begins, if I remember correctly, Bruce's parents were buried in a graveyard with a lot of other graves.

In The Dark Knight Rises, their graves appear to be in a different location.

Sci · December 10 2012, 04:15 PM

Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote:

In Batman Begins, if I remember correctly, Bruce's parents were buried in a graveyard with a lot of other graves.

In The Dark Knight Rises, their graves appear to be in a different location.

And dead bodies cannot be moved after being buried.

Captrek · December 13 2012, 09:01 PM

I’m sure this has been discussed to death, but it’s a 67-page thread, so here goes.

I’m puzzled by the ending. There are two possible interpretations: Bruce survives and is at the cafe with Selina, or he dies and Alfred imagines him at the cafe with Selina.

The popular consensus seems to be that he survives. This raises a few issues:

He allows everyone to believe that he’s dead, including Alfred, which is devastating. Why not let Alfred know he’s still alive? Hiding the truth while Alfred mourns him seems cruel.
Just before leaving, he tells Selina that the Bat has no autopilot. If he reunites with her, what’s the point of lying to her?
Just before detonation, there’s a shot of Bruce and he appears to be piloting the Bat. If he isn’t, what is he doing?

The alternative is that Alfred imagines seeing Bruce and Selina at the cafe, just as he used to imagine seeing Bruce there the first time he went missing. The only problem I see with this is Lucius’s discovery that the autopilot had indeed been fixed. That’s fairly easy to dispose of by speculating that Bruce fixes the autopilot and then it’s damaged in action. It’s not much of a stretch.

So, what’s the deal?

Greg Cox · December 13 2012, 09:20 PM

It's not ambiguous at all. Bruce lives, retires to Europe with Selina, and arranges for Alfred to see him at that outdoor cafe Alfred was talking about earlier.

Hence, the scenes indicating that the autopilot actually worked, that the Bat-Signal was mysteriously repaired, that the pearl necklace was missing . . . all of which are set-up for the Big Reveal that Bruce and Selina are living happily ever after. None of those scenes make any sense or have any purpose otherwise.

Nothing in the script indicated that these things were anything less than concrete reality. All of that happened, just like it says in the script (and, ahem, the book).

Saul · December 13 2012, 09:29 PM

Things change from script to screen all the time and any director can interpret the material in different ways when he goes to film it.

With that said my opinion leans more to the idea that yes Bruce didn't die. Although the Cat could have taken those pearls...

and escaping a nuclear blast wouldn't be easy.. http://www.nuclearsecrecy.com/nukema...&zm=10&kt=4000

Captrek · December 13 2012, 09:32 PM

I guess that’s authoritative. How do you answer the three bullet points?

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December 9 2012, 12:14 AM	#992
JarodRussell Vice Admiral	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) Wayne officially died when the city was taken over. 5 months later, Batman appeared again. Nobody but Fox, Selina and Miranda knew that Wayne returned to the city. __________________ lol l /\

December 9 2012, 12:16 AM	#993
Bishop76 Fleet Captain Location: Wisconsin	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) I still can't help but hear Sean Connery from the SNL Celebrity Jeopardy skits every time Bane talks... __________________ Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

December 9 2012, 05:49 AM	#996
Set Harth Commodore Location: Ekkaia	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) "Aren't you a little short to be Batman?" __________________ Are you casting aspersions on my asparagus?

December 9 2012, 12:05 PM	#997
trekkiebaggio Vice Admiral Location: Dancing to the Jailhouse Rock	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) Bane 'outtakes' __________________ Angelic Hellfire - My novel. Man of Yesterday - My blog, in which I'm writing a superhero story.

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December 10 2012, 05:29 AM	#999
JD Admiral Location: Arizona, USA	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) Very funny. __________________ Over the course of many encounters and many years, I have successfully developed a standard operating procedure for dealing with big, nasty monsters. Run away. Me and Monty Python. Harry Dresden - Blood Rites (The Dresden Files #6)

December 10 2012, 06:33 AM	#1000
Flying Spaghetti Monster Vice Admiral Location: Flying Spaghetti Western	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) In Batman Begins, if I remember correctly, Bruce's parents were buried in a graveyard with a lot of other graves. In *The Dark Knight Rises, their graves appear to be in a different location. __________________ Life of P*i is the most pleasant film I've ever not cared at all for.

December 13 2012, 09:01 PM	#1002
Captrek Rear Admiral Location: Second star to the right and 'round back to last night	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) I’m sure this has been discussed to death, but it’s a 67-page thread, so here goes. I’m puzzled by the ending. There are two possible interpretations: Bruce survives and is at the cafe with Selina, or he dies and Alfred imagines him at the cafe with Selina. The popular consensus seems to be that he survives. This raises a few issues: He allows everyone to believe that he’s dead, including Alfred, which is devastating. Why not let Alfred know he’s still alive? Hiding the truth while Alfred mourns him seems cruel. Just before leaving, he tells Selina that the Bat has no autopilot. If he reunites with her, what’s the point of lying to her? Just before detonation, there’s a shot of Bruce and he appears to be piloting the Bat. If he isn’t, what is he doing? The alternative is that Alfred imagines seeing Bruce and Selina at the cafe, just as he used to imagine seeing Bruce there the first time he went missing. The only problem I see with this is Lucius’s discovery that the autopilot had indeed been fixed. That’s fairly easy to dispose of by speculating that Bruce fixes the autopilot and then it’s damaged in action. It’s not much of a stretch. So, what’s the deal? __________________ Khan, I'm laughing at the superior dental occlusion.

December 13 2012, 09:20 PM	#1003
Greg Cox Vice Admiral Location: Oxford, PA	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) It's not ambiguous at all. Bruce lives, retires to Europe with Selina, and arranges for Alfred to see him at that outdoor cafe Alfred was talking about earlier. Hence, the scenes indicating that the autopilot actually worked, that the Bat-Signal was mysteriously repaired, that the pearl necklace was missing . . . all of which are set-up for the Big Reveal that Bruce and Selina are living happily ever after. None of those scenes make any sense or have any purpose otherwise. Nothing in the script indicated that these things were anything less than concrete reality. All of that happened, just like it says in the script (and, ahem, the book). __________________ www.gregcox-author.com

December 13 2012, 09:29 PM	#1004
Saul Rear Admiral Location: 東京	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) Things change from script to screen all the time and any director can interpret the material in different ways when he goes to film it. With that said my opinion leans more to the idea that yes Bruce didn't die. Although the Cat could have taken those pearls... and escaping a nuclear blast wouldn't be easy.. http://www.nuclearsecrecy.com/nukema...&zm=10&kt=4000 __________________ "It's not that you can see the strings, it's that 40 years later you're still looking at them." - Steven Moffat "This movie was big. Imagine how big it could have been with me in it?" William Shatner

December 13 2012, 09:32 PM	#1005
Captrek Rear Admiral Location: Second star to the right and 'round back to last night	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) I guess that’s authoritative. How do you answer the three bullet points? __________________ Khan, I'm laughing at the superior dental occlusion.