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Old December 3 2012, 12:54 PM   #76
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Re: Most unjustly hated episode

I figured that she might not have seen too much of that first hand since when he babysat for the O'Brians he was pretty good with the kid.
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Old December 3 2012, 12:56 PM   #77
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I also think that if Jadzia had live she could have helped to bridge the gap with Alexander and Worf.
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Old December 3 2012, 01:09 PM   #78
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eh, she didn't have to see it. Where was the kid all those years? NOT in Worf's custody.

That's a huge red flag.
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Old December 3 2012, 02:54 PM   #79
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eh, she didn't have to see it. Where was the kid all those years? NOT in Worf's custody.

That's a huge red flag.
After we saw what a whiny-bitch he became on DS9, I'd have sent him away too.
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Old December 3 2012, 05:19 PM   #80
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"The Drumhead" is an excellent treatise on paranoia and placing power in the wrong hands.
While not hating it, The Drumhead is pretty close to the bottom of my personal "like list," because of it's heavy handedness. Star Trek's message stories are best when they are subtle, and not pounding the audience over the head with "Watch carefully, we're telling you something important now."

Why eps like Measure... go on my justly overrated list.
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Old December 7 2012, 11:07 AM   #81
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Angel One.
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Old December 7 2012, 07:14 PM   #82
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"Profit and Lace" is undoubtedly the most unjustly-maligned episode of DS9, and possibly all of Star Trek.

Personally, I thought it was a highly underrated episode that combined the cross-dressing screwball comedy of Some Like It Hot with the moral seriousness of Black Like Me.

Far from being one of the worst episodes in the history of Trek, I would say it's one of the best. Certainly it stands comparison with TOS classics like "Let That Be your Last Battlefield" and "That Which Survives".
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Old December 7 2012, 07:41 PM   #83
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The problem is, unlike Black Like Me, it was almost completely farce. The grotesque stereotyping of both men and women really buried any message of tolerance. The episode was grossly hypocritical, in other words.
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Old December 7 2012, 07:48 PM   #84
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I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree.

But I'm glad to see someone taking my post as seriously as it deserves.
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Old December 8 2012, 02:19 AM   #85
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Angel One.
What about "Angel One" is underrated? I found it mildly offensive. It's like, okay, this is what happens when you put women in charge! I mean, come on. I can accept a story in which the Enterprise has to rescue humans from an alien society that is trying to hunt them down, but the female-dominated society thing seemed so shoehorned in.

I can also accept a female-dominated society (I mean, hey, why not, right? ), but the way they do it is so obnoxiously clumsy and doesn't make sense.
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Old December 8 2012, 02:58 AM   #86
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I rewatched Profit and Lace a few months ago. It wasn't as bad as I remembered.

It's difficult talking anywhere about differences between men and women. Say there are too many differences you're sexist, say there are none you're ignorant. Say there are average differences between men and women but they don't apply to any given individual man or woman, people get bored and stop listening to you. (See! You're doing it now!)

In farengi society women are literally and legally considered possessions, they have no rights and never have, it makes sense that gender behavior would be more separated in farengi than in humans. The only other farengi woman who ever appeared was just as greedy ad cunning as the farengi men.

But, it also makes sense that in a society where women have no rights, the way to get men on your side is to assuage their fear that making profits won't make them less feminine.
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Old December 10 2012, 03:25 AM   #87
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Another vote on Omega Glory. Despite the painful analogy (Comms--Communists, Yangs--Yankees) and the appearance of 100% imitation American flag (baffling ridiculous idea), it has some terrific elements and moments.
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Old December 10 2012, 03:49 AM   #88
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Another vote on Omega Glory. Despite the painful analogy. . .it has some terrific elements and moments.
I agree with this. The Pro-America symbolism was so blatantly ridiculous, I couldn't take it seriously even when 17.

But it does have one of the best Former Friend Bad Guys in Trek history. There's believable motivation for the desperate Tracey, a man at the end of all hope, who thought his only chance at survival was using phasers.
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Old December 10 2012, 05:10 AM   #89
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If you take out that whole bit with the American flag, commies and Yanks out then The Omega Glory is actually a good one. That stuff was just too laughably improbable and brought the whole episode down.
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Old December 10 2012, 05:23 AM   #90
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The Pro-America symbolism was so blatantly ridiculous, I couldn't take it seriously even when 17.
Listening to Kirk reciting the preamble still gives me goose bumps.


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