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Old December 9 2012, 12:00 AM   #61
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Re: How many reset buttons?

Battered wife syndrome.
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Old December 9 2012, 01:35 AM   #62
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I know when Janeway touches my arm like that and asks me to do things that might hurt.. that might even get me killed.. it's because she really really loves me.
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Old December 9 2012, 01:43 AM   #63
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I suppose it's better than battered Talaxian Syndrome... Random disgruntled crewmen threatening to dunk the hedgehog in eggs, flower and bread crumbs and fry the bastard live if he doesn't shut up and ladle out another dollop of leola root gruel.
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Old December 9 2012, 02:10 AM   #64
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But, Voyager could have easily brought on supporting crewmembers for longer. Half the recurring minor characters they unceremoniously just dropped. Carey stopped appearing except for one random appearance in Fury just to tell us when we were back in time again and one other appearance just to die, Hogan was eaten by a giant lizard-snake, that other guy got his face ripped off. They could have had more minor characters who played a larger role in the story.
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Old December 9 2012, 02:17 AM   #65
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Could of, should of, would of.

It was ALL PLANNED that they would suffocate together in morale boosting bonhomie.
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Old December 9 2012, 05:34 AM   #66
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But, Voyager could have easily brought on supporting crewmembers for longer. Half the recurring minor characters they unceremoniously just dropped. Carey stopped appearing except for one random appearance in Fury just to tell us when we were back in time again and one other appearance just to die, Hogan was eaten by a giant lizard-snake, that other guy got his face ripped off. They could have had more minor characters who played a larger role in the story.
The actors very well may not have been available to reprise their roles that often. For example: many of the survivors of the Equinox were doing other shows and guess spots and very well could have been the reason why the writers couldn't revisit those characters.
Second is budget.
If they felt they didn't have the budget to keep Jen Lien and add Jeri Ryan, they might not have had the budget to pay those actors their salary. I can assume, the young newer actors like Manu & the other Borg kids work for much cheaper just for exposure.
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Old December 9 2012, 05:45 AM   #67
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If kids were that much cheaper, I'm amazed Voyager didn't enter a section of the galaxy where a weird virus killed all the adults.



The problem starts well before they hire their actors. In the writers room, there has to be some sort of passion where some one says "I have this amazing idea for a character that i really think that we can run with for a couple episodes who... "

And then Berman throws a shoe at them.

Exodus, it's not Jeri vs Jenny, but what did they do with the Cullah/Seska money?
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Old December 9 2012, 12:32 PM   #68
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And what are the TNG stats for this?
In the beginning TNG was made by a lot of the same Blokes who worked on the original Star Trek. They were working off the same models as 1950s cop shows. TNG's stats are going to be worse than Voyagers .. Although looking at their imdb listing, it seems that several of the extras were given "names" and then hung around for another 50 episodes.

DS9 was innovative like a soap opera, an then for their finale? And ongoing continuous 12 part episode?

Fuuuuuuuuuuuck.

Voyager gets praise for Tom being mean to Chuckles for three episodes to sneak onto Seskas ship for 3 minutes before he breaks cover and...

12 parts with so many, many, many, interlocking moving pieces.

Voyager meanwhile given the opportunity to raise the bar instead took two steps back and could barely competently hold together a two parter.

Continuity wise episode to episode, Enterprise wasn't that bad in season one. They were always talking about how many light years they were from earth and subtly boosting the number each week. Season four was a wet dream. nothing but 3 and 4 parters that sorted connected up with everything.

But since you asked...

14 recurring actors in TNG (not counting Majel, Wheaton or Crosby) appeared in more than ten episodes...

and they had 10 characters in TNG(not counting Majel, Wheaton, and Crosby) who appeared in more than 20 episodes.
And of course one of those recurring characters in TNG ended up getting promoted to series regular on DSN, O'Brien who had something like 55 appearences in TNG.
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Old December 9 2012, 12:37 PM   #69
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I wonder how much money they saved not hiring Bujold?
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Old December 9 2012, 08:13 PM   #70
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If they sued her, they could have made money.

If they didn't sue her, the rest of the cast could have felt entitled and safe enough to walk whenever they felt like it.
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Old December 9 2012, 08:34 PM   #71
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Doctor is my favorite character on Voyager, so I dont mind his mobile emmiter.
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Old December 9 2012, 08:57 PM   #72
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I was watching Archengela's channel on You Tube. He talks about the reset button and he talks about how lucky Voyager was. Under present conditions, Voyager would have been canceled in its first year. Archengela said that when viewing an episode of Voyager that it is better to forget what came before and what came after, and to view the episode as a stand-alone tale.

Personally, for me, Voyager and Enterprise are tied at the bottom for the two series I dislike most.

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Old December 9 2012, 09:55 PM   #73
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...it is better to forget what came before and what came after, and to view the episode as a stand-alone tale.
That's equally true of all Trek apart from the obvious season arcs in DS9 and ENT.
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Old December 9 2012, 10:35 PM   #74
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What pissed me off about TNG as I got older, was how misleading reading all those tng novels which were constantly referencing past episodes and re-established minor characters, as well as reading all the supporting nonfiction that explained how everything was connected, which was when I really began to notice how episodic and bottle necked TNG and TOS really was.

I just assumed that the production staff were not assholes but because my imagination filled in the gaps left by their carelessness and neglect, I was a none the wiser 12 year old.
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Old December 9 2012, 10:54 PM   #75
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But since you asked...

14 recurring actors in TNG (not counting Majel, Wheaton or Crosby) appeared in more than ten episodes...

and they had 10 characters in TNG(not counting Majel, Wheaton, and Crosby) who appeared in more than 20 episodes.
Assuming (like me) that you're just using IMDB, these numbers are a bit of a stretch, since IMDB lists a number of background performers alongside guest actors.

By my count, TNG had three recurring characters appear in more than ten episodes (O'Brien at 53, Guinan at 28, and Ogawa at 16).

It's been pointed out in this thread that VOY couldn't have recurring guest villains, since they were always on the move; DS9 could.

But that reasoning still doesn't hold up to my eyes. Excluding villains, DS9 had nine recurring characters who appeared in more than ten episodes; VOY had three (counting Seska, who was first part of the crew, and then a villain). Naomi Wildman appears in the most episodes (17), Seska is at 13, and Icheb is at 11. I'm too lazy to type out all the numbers, but DS9 featured (non-villain) guest stars much more frequently.
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