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Old December 8 2012, 09:47 PM   #46
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Re: What is more Trek to you?

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I love how the entire planet, and the whole human race, are being classed as completely dystopian because we see one foggy city, on a dull day. Really?
A foggy day in San Francisco? Say it isn't so!
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Old December 8 2012, 09:53 PM   #47
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I'm struggling to understand why people are acting surprised that the sequel to a mindless action flick is a mindless action flick. Maybe the next cycle of hiatus and reboot will result in a more balanced approach, but this particular incarnation of Star Trek is a series of mindless action flicks. Accept it. Or don't. Either way, as long as it's successful, it's unlikely to change.
I didn't find XI to be any more mindless that the previous 10.
All the more reason not to expect anything substantially different from XII.
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Old December 8 2012, 09:54 PM   #48
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. I'm not saying Trek has to be as dumb and mindless as Trek XI
Though I'm repeating myself, XI was no more dumb or mindless that the previous ten.
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Old December 8 2012, 10:04 PM   #49
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Since I first heard this in the episode "The Way to Eden", I have wondered what this would mean for Earth. In that episode, Sevrin mentioned "...shields of artificial atmosphere..." that were by the Federation "...layered about every planet." These environments were considered by McCoy as "...septic, sterilized...", and were the incubators for new diseases. In later Star Trek, we learned that Earth had a weather control net that had the power to stop tornadoes.

I wonder when looking at this image of a foggy city, how much control do humans have over Earth's weather in the mid-23rd century? Do humans control how much fog is in the city, and do humans control the cloud coverage? And to what extent do these artificial atmospheric shields influence climate and weather? If you lived in a climate-controlled world, would you consider this a paradise, an utopia?
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Old December 8 2012, 10:09 PM   #50
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It's not those things that stop it from being Star Trek, it's the absence of a human interest story to go with those things.
When George and Winona Kirk and Captain Robau stole that - what? - opening ten minutes of the last film - a truly involving, emotional and tragic sequence of scenes, it proved to me that the writers and director of ST (2009) were capable of making me care about three characters who had never been on "Star Trek" before.

The next movie may well be filled with more scenes like that. I care about the new versions of Kirk, Spock, McCoy and Uhura, and what will happen to them next. I enjoyed the contributions of Scotty, Sulu, Pike, Chekov and Keenser, too.

I searched out episodes of "Sherlock", to find out more about Benedict Cumberbatch, and was thrilled by his acting style.

This teaser trailer is an amazing tease. It's barely a minute of footage, to go with the three frames shown on "Conan" and one frame on a screen behind a different interview with JJ. Cruel, cruel, cruel, but wonderful fun!

If this film fails to make me care even more about the characters, I shall be extremely surprised and disappointed. I can't see that happening. (I do think if I'd hated the last film, though, I may have stopped looking at threads about JJ's movies on online BBSs. I do wonder why the haters and the doubters keep lobbing back into these threads. Are there not BBS threads where movies and TV shows they like/love are being discussed?)
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Old December 8 2012, 10:13 PM   #51
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. I'm not saying Trek has to be as dumb and mindless as Trek XI
Though I'm repeating myself, XI was no more dumb or mindless that the previous ten.
My rose-tinted glasses of the previous ten prevent me from agreeing with you.
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Old December 8 2012, 10:14 PM   #52
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I'm sure they let the fog roll into SF, as its part of the ambiance.
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Old December 8 2012, 10:15 PM   #53
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Since I first heard this in the episode "The Way to Eden", I have wondered what this would mean for Earth. In that episode, Sevrin mentioned "...shields of artificial atmosphere..." that were by the Federation "...layered about every planet." These environments were considered by McCoy as "...septic, sterilized...", and were the incubators for new diseases. In later Star Trek, we learned that Earth had a weather control net that had the power to stop tornadoes.

I wonder when looking at this image of a foggy city, how much control do humans have over Earth's weather in the mid-23rd century? Do humans control how much fog is in the city, and do humans control the cloud coverage? And to what extent do these artificial atmospheric shields influence climate and weather? If you lived in a climate-controlled world, would you consider this a paradise, an utopia?
I don't know about London since I've never been there, but, a Foggy day in San Francisco is part of San Francisco's charm, so, no controlling the weather and removing the Foggy days would not be an upgrade to San Francisco, IMHO.

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Old December 8 2012, 10:29 PM   #54
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I don't think it's ever been established canonically, but I imagine most Earthlings would want to some variation in weather and changes of season. As people have said, London or Frisco without fog would be like Seattle without the drizzle or Atlanta without the humidity. And what about white Christmases?

My guess would be that any weather-control systems are mostly in place to prevent extreme weather of the dangerous variety: floods, hurricanes, droughts, blizzards, tornadoes, etc. I doubt that anybody bothers to customize the clouds, except as, perhaps, some sort of ambitious outdoor art installation.

And that sort of heavy-duty weather-control is probably only in place on the more advanced, urbanized worlds with well-developed infrastructures. I doubt if remote Federation colonies or science outposts have the resources for that sort of thing.
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Old December 8 2012, 10:37 PM   #55
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I'm willing to bet that the trailer for THE WRATH OF KHAN featured plenty of explosions, action, and vows of revenge . . . .
Yep. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJTi7KJPx_E
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Old December 8 2012, 10:53 PM   #56
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My guess would be that any weather-control systems are mostly in place to prevent extreme weather of the dangerous variety: floods, hurricanes, droughts, blizzards, tornadoes, etc. I doubt that anybody bothers to customize the clouds, except as, perhaps, some sort of ambitious outdoor art installation.
Besides, weather serves a purpose. It can't be 70 degrees and sunny all the time. Unless every inch of the planet is part of a complex irrigation system, at some point you're going to need some rain. Otherwise the planet would become very dry and dusty and nothing would ever grow.
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Old December 8 2012, 10:54 PM   #57
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I'm willing to bet that the trailer for THE WRATH OF KHAN featured plenty of explosions, action, and vows of revenge . . . .
Yep. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJTi7KJPx_E
Thanks for posting that. I was too lazy to look it up!

It's interesting to note that the very first words in the trailer are "Beyond the darkness . . ." and it ends up with something like "At the end of the universe, lies the beginning of vengeance!"

Sounds like they could use the same narration for the new movie!
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Old December 8 2012, 10:55 PM   #58
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My biggest issue with Star Trek XI was Kirk's lack of cunning. In TOS he made a rifle out of stuff he found lying around. He tricked people into not blowing him up by convincing them it'd blow them up too. He talked super-robots into destroying themselves. He was cunning, he talked his way out of tough situations. In the movie, he kind of just transported in and started shooting.

Also I'm against reboots in general. I'd rather see a series move forward than retread the old material in a new way. Every time a comic book series reboots they have to spend half the first movie on the already known origin story, I'd rather see stories that haven't been told yet.

And it ticks me off that the reboot is making viacom hardened against new series ideas in the prime timeline.

But I do like the idea of Star Trek being darker, so long as it sticks to its principles.
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Old December 8 2012, 10:59 PM   #59
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Although it gets panned (unfairly), for me the most 'Trek' like movie was Star Trek V The Final Frontier.

Of all the movies, it had the best interaction between the 'big three' and is still a delight to watch.

Oh, and it also had perhaps the best music soundtrack of the movies.
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Old December 8 2012, 11:02 PM   #60
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While we're talking about trailers, I would find it interesting to see what type of trailer some of the older films like TMP, TWOK and TSFS would have if they were cut in the style for today's audience. Anybody know if anyone has ever tried to do something like this?

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