Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

[gaghyogi49]

As we are all rewatching season 2 at the moment, does somebody happen to know which piece of classical music Data plays on Holmes' violin in front of the fireplace in "Elementary, Dear Data"?

I'm trying to find the missing pieces in this article:

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Euro...lassical_music

[throwback]

I am happy that I have the set. I enjoyed the extended cut of "The Measure of a Man". My favorite scene was the crew defending Data during the farewell party.

[SillyTilly]

Mine arrived this morning and I have just watched The Child. Amazing picture quality. I was really amazed how good it looked. There were one or two shots that looked rather grainy but overall it looked pin sharp.

[NewHorizon]

BillJ wrote:

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You're missing out.

While some issues do exist, overall the set is a solid 'B' compared to season one's 'A+'.

Glad I decided to go ahead and pick it up.

Extras aside, I'm not really missing all that much. A clearer picture, yup, but in terms of the episodes...I can watch them anytime I want on Netflix with fewer mistakes.

I grew up watching TNG on a small TV with a set top antenna. It was fuzzy and the color would fade in and out. The DVD's and even Netflix are a huge improvement over that. So for HTV to do the bare minimum and just make it a bit clearer, but with more visual effects mistakes is not really worth 60 to 80 dollars for me.

Maybe I'll buy it used off of someone someday for 20 bucks. I'm patient enough to wait a few more years.

[Doug Otte]

I had a $25 Amazon gift card, so I paid $39.99 for the set. I sold the DVD set for around $20, so I paid $19.99 to upgrade. I'm glad I did.

So far, I've seen the 1st two episodes. Yes, I notice the mediocre effects shots, and the disparity in smoothed-vs.-natural live shots, and am disappointed in them.

Yet, overall the increase in resolution, color accuracy, and lossless audio make it a worthwhile investment.

[TrekAlliance92]

I've watched two episodes so far on 2 HDTVs, and honestly, I'm impressed. The external shots that I've seen so far look pretty great, maybe I just don't have the eye (or the TV!) that some of you do. The picture looks great on both "Time Squared" and "Unnatural Selection," especially the live-action shots, but also the special effects.

I'm looking forward to watching more from the set, and also the special features--which were awesome on the season 1 set.

And, I have to say, that Season 3 trailer...*drool*

[BillJ]

NewHorizon wrote:

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I grew up watching TNG on a small TV with a set top antenna. It was fuzzy and the color would fade in and out.

As did I.

But I don't have to watch it that way any more and I'm very thankful for that.

[MPH]

NewHorizon wrote:

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I think it's just one more example of many with the lack of quality and care that went into the S2 effects work. So glad I stood by my decision not to buy it.

Im still getting it for Christmas and even if its not as good as S1 its surely about 10 times better than the DVD.

[NewHorizon]

BillJ wrote:

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As did I.

But I don't have to watch it that way any more and I'm very thankful for that.

Nor do I. Netflix on Demand is good enough for me as far as Season 2 is concerned, at least until I can get S2 used for 20 bucks.

[davejames]

Watched Loud as a Whisper, and it's a much quieter and more interesting episode than I remembered. Other than the attack on Riva's interpreters (which truly does look horrific now in HD), there isn't any action at all, but I still found it strangely compelling to watch.

Although it does still seem like a HUGE stretch that these warring aliens would ever be patient enough to sit around learning sign language to understand him. Somehow I can't imagine something like that working in the Middle East. Lol

[throwback]

I am finding it interesting that, once again, Michael Okuda is arbitrarily changing his original work. I understand him adding regulations for the extended cut of "The Measure of a Man". Today, while browsing Memory Alpha, I discovered that there were changes to the "Up the Long Ladder" ship list Okudagram.

I have been accused by some as attempting to explain what wasn't meant to make sense or matter by the production staff. Yet, in two seasons of remastered TNG, we have had Okuda changed graphics that most viewers wouldn't bother to analyze or notice.

In the "Up the Long Ladder" ship list, these are the known changes:
* The captain of the SS Tomobiki was changed from Peter Lauritson to Dave Glick.
* The mission of the SS Seattle was changed from ADR Looping to Diplomatic Mission to SR-47.
* The location for the diplomatic mission for the HMS New Zealand was changed from Alderaan to Aldebaran.
* The captain of the SS Urusei Yatsura was changed from Dave Glick (see above) to Steve Tucker.
* The captain of the VK Velikan was changed from Gene Roddenberry to Mike Volland. Likewise, the mission for this ship changed from Explore Strange New Worlds to Stellar Chart Mapping.

This is a lot of work to do on a chart that only appears for a few seconds. Apparently, there are individuals involved on the production side who do believe that these graphics should make sense or do matter.

Why does Okuda only re-do some of his graphics, and not some others? I asked the question on the last season, and I ask again.

[Captain Fine]

I've always loved Okudagrams. And I like them even more when they have that kind of detail to them

[Trekker4747]

davejames wrote:

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Watched Loud as a Whisper, and it's a much quieter and more interesting episode than I remembered. Other than the attack on Riva's interpreters (which truly does look horrific now in HD), there isn't any action at all, but I still found it strangely compelling to watch.

Although it does still seem like a HUGE stretch that these warring aliens would ever be patient enough to sit around learning sign language to understand him. Somehow I can't imagine something like that working in the Middle East. Lol

Loud as a Whisper is a very good episode with a good message in it. It's one I very much enjoy. Even though one thing I find odd this is one of the episodes where Troi is pretty much used as the ship's concubine-on-call to entertain a visiting guest at his own whims.

Another oddity, I guess I can understand the absence of a sign-language in the 24c, even to the point of it apparently not even being part of the universal translator. (Which, really, should have "read" Riva's signs and then presented them in an audible sound in one fashion or another. Riva apparently could read lips and didn't need things signed TO him. Though who knows how that works when you've never heard any kind of sound whatsoever.) Medical technology has apparently advanced enough to correct all forms of deafness with prosthetics or other means.

But how is any kind of "gestural language" never heard of? Worf, the ship's security chief, remarks how such a thing could be useful in combat. !?!

So, Worf, you mean backwards 21st cenutry SWAT teams have better communication in combat than you do?

[BeatleJWOL]

throwback wrote:

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Why does Okuda only re-do some of his graphics, and not some others? I asked the question on the last season, and I ask again.

Are there other charts that have not been changed, maintaining any original in-jokes and production staff references? If so, that's indeed strange.

[davejames]

Trekker4747 wrote:

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Loud as a Whisper is a very good episode with a good message in it. It's one I very much enjoy. Even though one thing I find odd this is one of the episodes where Troi is pretty much used as the ship's concubine-on-call to entertain a visiting guest at his own whims.

Ha, yeah, it was hard to miss how decidedly uncomfortable she looked with the attention Riva was giving her.

Unless that was supposed to be shyness, and Sirtis just did a lousy job communicating it. Lol

Another oddity, I guess I can understand the absence of a sign-language in the 24c, even to the point of it apparently not even being part of the universal translator. (Which, really, should have "read" Riva's signs and then presented them in an audible sound in one fashion or another. Riva apparently could read lips and didn't need things signed TO him. Though who knows how that works when you've never heard any kind of sound whatsoever.) Medical technology has apparently advanced enough to correct all forms of deafness with prosthetics or other means.

Yeah, I was surprised Data wasn't able to recognize it immediately, with the wealth of knowledge that's already programmed into him. And the way everyone else was just completely baffled by his signing was pretty laughable as well.

Surely Starfleet has encountered other alien races that used some form of gestural language to communicate. Or to at least supplement their spoken language in some way.

It also seems pretty lucky that the signs Data learned from the computer just happened to match up with Riva's alien language.