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Old December 7 2012, 05:57 PM   #181
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Re: Anyone Else Love "Whom Gods Destroy"?

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Probably brought up on the bony-assed titless wonders of today.


There was a time women didn't look like little boys.
Of course, there was a time leading men didn't look like little boys, too.
You seem to have many issues with the time you're living in, which explains such a blanket statement about women of this era.
He has no issues, he's just clear on what is sexy, attractive and of particular gender. Don't be offended, human sexuality is subjective. You just seem to misuse the word "fat" and inferring Craig is a pig, to me, is highly curious if not indicative of......

Issues perhaps?

Relax.
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Old December 7 2012, 06:31 PM   #182
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Probably brought up on the bony-assed titless wonders of today.


There was a time women didn't look like little boys.
Of course, there was a time leading men didn't look like little boys, too.
You seem to have many issues with the time you're living in, which explains such a blanket statement about women of this era.
He has no issues, he's just clear on what is sexy, attractive and of particular gender. Don't be offended, human sexuality is subjective. You just seem to misuse the word "fat" and inferring Craig is a pig, to me, is highly curious if not indicative of......

Issues perhaps?

Relax.
I love how you avoid the obvious--anyone making blanket statements about an entire generation of people...

Probably brought up on the bony-assed titless wonders of today.


There was a time women didn't look like little boys.
Of course, there was a time leading men didn't look like little boys, too

...has serious issues.
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Old December 7 2012, 06:48 PM   #183
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Okay, I think that's enough.

It's always interesting to me how these threads evolve over time. We've gone from Whom Gods Destroy to Was Yvonne Craig Fat? to personal insults.

If the thread can't get back on track, I'll close it.

For now, please knock it off.

Thanks.
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Old December 7 2012, 06:56 PM   #184
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Yes, I'm well familiar with all three seasons of the show. I watched it A LOT.
If you watched it A LOT, then you would not mount such an easily dismissed defense of Craig in that outfit, particularly when its easy to compare her to women on the same show wearing the same kind of material (Newmar, Kitt and Merriwether in the Batman movie), only they wore it with visual success.


On the other hand, you have yet to find a photo of Craig looking fat as Batgirl.
Again, YouTube exists. All 26 episdoes of Batman's 3rd season are available to see for yourself. I'm pointing you toward a source, so there's no excuse to avoid it.


Rigg and Newmar were tall and slim. Hot, yes, though definitely on the slim side.
Hit the brakes...Newmar was slim? Slim in my view was Peggy Lipton...in the worst case, Mia Farrow, but Newmar was tall, but "put together," as the expression goes.

Whitney was certainly not in any kind of decent shape.
You have to explain that one, as she's one of the few TOS actresses who successfully wore the Starfleet uniform without appearing out of place (like the actress who suffered from the aging disease in "The Deadly Years", or Scotty's love interest in "The Lights of Zetar")

If you think Craig was overweight, you must think Nichelle Nichols was a big ol' moo-cow. Not to mention Marilyn.
Nichols had big thighs--there's no getting around that, but she was visually solid from the waist up.

If by "Marilyn" you mean Monroe, that would depend on which period of her career you're talking about. By the time she was hired for The Misfits and her last (incomplete) role in What A Way to Go, she had gained a lot of weight.

your flame-fest.
Confirmed. Definitely born after 1986.
Ah, so you are admitting that you believe you--as an allegedly older person--cannot be familiar with new terms as they become part of common language?

Odd.

I guess that means you still refer to a flight attendant as a "stewardess," or an American of African descent as "negro."

Oh, by the way, the year is 1969, not '86.

That much is true, as is well known here.
It was a guess, since I do not know you well--just as you do not know me at all.


Plastic tits and flat asses (and worse, flat delivery) are no substitute for what a real woman is supposed to look like. I knew we were in trouble when people first pointed out that JLo has an ass, as if this were extraordinary. Turned out it was.
You do realize that bony, boyish women such as Twiggy and the aforementioned Mia Farrow were launched into fame in the 60s? Their look was pushed and celebrated at the time.

By the early-mid 70s, I certainly remember the "new woman" look of Mary Tyler Moore (her own show, not the way she appeared on the Dick Van Dyke show), Diane Keaton, bony Sissy Spacek, Meryl Streep and others being pushed long before this period of women you're criticizing?
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Old December 7 2012, 07:03 PM   #185
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Okay, I think that's enough.

It's always interesting to me how these threads evolve over time. We've gone from Whom Gods Destroy to Was Yvonne Craig Fat? to personal insults.

If the thread can't get back on track, I'll close it.

For now, please knock it off.

Thanks.
Understood; I sportted your post after I posted, so i'm not ignoring your order.
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Old December 7 2012, 09:05 PM   #186
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. . . Ms. Craig was (a) deliciously sexy with a lovely, voluptuous body, (b) the best thing ever to happen to the Batman TV show, and (c) certainly the only good thing about the otherwise execrable "Whom Gods Destroy."
To get somewhat back on topic: Well, I don't know about statement (b), but I definitely concur with (a) and (c).

To jump off-topic again:

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Ihnat was a marvelous actor. If you get a chance, find an episode of the original "Outer Limits," entitled The Inheritors. Ihnat at his low-key, underplayed best.

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I can hardly say how much I love this episode. The last time I saw it I cried. Even though the major setpiece at the end is pretty clunky. (I won't give away what it is here. But get this two-part episode on DVD and be prepared to be blown away.)
Frankly, I think "The Inheritors" is overrated. It's clunky, padded (it could easily have been a single 1-hour episode) and the ending is just mawkish.

YMMV.
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Old December 8 2012, 12:00 AM   #187
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In a strange case of odd timing, I came across an old 1972 movie last night called Fuzz. Ihnat was in it but I noted he lacked the healthy glow he had of Whom Gods Destroy. In fact he looked far closer to 50 than his listed 37.

As for Whom Gods Destroy, I've always enjoyed it. It's nowhere near the top of the heap relative to the series itself, but it is fun on a couple of levels. Ihnat's charisma is there to be seen a few times during his more tame moments, and Craig does an admirable job playing the Orion butt shaker. For the record....I liked Vina as an Orion slave girl a little better. She didn't speak but her eyes conveyed her so-called wild character with great effectiveness. BTW - Where are the staff on Garth's penal colony? An entire colony with just 15 or so inmates and a force field that encompasses the entire planet? That to me doesn't make sense. There has to be staff, more than just Dr Cory.
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Old December 8 2012, 03:21 AM   #188
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. . . Craig does an admirable job playing the Orion butt shaker. For the record....I liked Vina as an Orion slave girl a little better. She didn't speak but her eyes conveyed her so-called wild character with great effectiveness.
One was a dancer who could act (sort of), the other was an actress who could dance (sort of).

BTW - Where are the staff on Garth's penal colony? An entire colony with just 15 or so inmates and a force field that encompasses the entire planet? That to me doesn't make sense. There has to be staff, more than just Dr Cory.
Hey, even non-speaking extras cost money, you know!
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Old December 8 2012, 03:34 AM   #189
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"Execrable," as worded above.

The guy is taught a cellular regeneration technique, then teaches himself to shape shift, including clothes.

Kirk is bringing magic medicine that will cure all mental illness forever.

While on a penal colony, the "madman" invents the most powerful explosive ever. This is like a '60s comic book. All we need is Bat-Mite.

"Madman" also has found the time and talent to modify the neural neutralizer into a painomatic chair.

Plus you have crazed-eyed (nonfat, btw) Craig doing a parody of a madwoman, "He is my lover and I must kill him."

Extended, too-long dance sequence. And coronation ceremony.

I often defend S3 being as good as S2, but this is one of the ones that justifies S3's reputation for camp/lameness.
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Old December 8 2012, 03:55 AM   #190
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I'm not keen on the ep. I don't really have a good reason why, it just was the type of episode that made me roll my eyes.
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Old December 8 2012, 04:31 AM   #191
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Extended, too-long dance sequence. And coronation ceremony.
It's called "padding." Not that Yvonne needed any.
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Old December 8 2012, 05:53 AM   #192
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1) The late, great Steve Ihnat as Lord Garth - Over-the-top doesn't begin to describe his performance! Love the little changes in his voice, from high-pitched adolescent, to lo-voiced psycho. "Si-lience!"
The way his voice goes up at the end of his "I should kill you with my BARE HANDS!!!" is pretty hilarious. Seriously, it's quite an accomplishment to overact more than Williams Shatner.
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Old December 8 2012, 06:17 AM   #193
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It's interesting when fellow actors talk about Steve Ihnat. They all refer to him as immensely talented, he must have been equally generous working with them. Married a Playboy Playmate no less. Then we lose him to a heart attack at 37. A genuine loss, considering what he might have achieved.
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The way his voice goes up at the end of his "I should kill you with my BARE HANDS!!!" is pretty hilarious. Seriously, it's quite an accomplishment to overact more than Williams Shatner.

The transition from Kirk to Garth's true form during the temper tantrum is interesting. It's one of Shatner's weakest performances, and he seems to be just going through the motions, rather embarrassingly. Then suddenly there's Inhat, pounding the floor full of fury.
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The way his voice goes up at the end of his "I should kill you with my BARE HANDS!!!" is pretty hilarious. Seriously, it's quite an accomplishment to overact more than Williams Shatner.

The transition from Kirk to Garth's true form during the temper tantrum is interesting. It's one of Shatner's weakest performances, and he seems to be just going through the motions, rather embarrassingly. Then suddenly there's Inhat, pounding the floor full of fury.
That's almost worth going back to. I watched it last night, but I remember the floor pounding looking really contrived, acting like someone pantomiming pounding. Now I want to see Mr. Inhat really pounding.
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