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Old December 8 2012, 01:48 AM   #736
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Re: The Star Trek Into Darkness teaser trailer is here!

Since there's so much speculation about the villain, I may as well throw in my two cents.

Considering that they already did Gary Mitchell in the comics which, while perhaps not being canon per se, are at at least meant to be consistent with the movie timeline, I tend to discount Mitchell as the villain. I've seen suggestions that the movie will be a sequel to the comic, which seems like a really counter-intuitive method of storytelling. Especially if they want to make the movie accessible.

Yes, they did the prequel comics for the last movie, but those simply provided extra background material that the audience didn't really require. In this instance, there would appear to be too much backstory to quickly get the uninitiated up to speed. "Oh, look, it's Kirk's old friend who got superpowers and went crazy when we tried to fly outside the galaxy so we killed him and shot his body into space but now he's come back to life somehow and now he wants revenge. And he doesn't seem to have his god-like abilities anymore."

I mean, okay, it might be argued that much the same thing was done with Wrath of Khan- they essentially just gave us the TV Guide blurb version of Space Seed. Frankly, though WOK is naturally one of the better Trek films, I actually felt a little like I was missing out on something not having seen Space Seed beforehand.

My money is on Garth, but I could be wrong; I just think that would be cool. Plus, while there are plenty of good reasons against BC being Khan or Mitchell, as others have already mentioned previously in this thread, there doesn't appear to be any argument as to why he couldn't be Garth. I do think it's great that Abrams and co., in this age of rampant spoilers, have managed to keep so much under wraps so far.
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Old December 8 2012, 02:24 AM   #737
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Saying it's Dehner based on a hair cut is odd. Other than Spock and maybe McCoy, which character had the same hairstyle as their TV counterparts?
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Old December 8 2012, 03:30 AM   #738
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After watching the Japanese teaser with the extra footage, I'm thinking that Cuberbatch may really be Kahn and the ship that crashed into the water is the Reliant, and the woman with the blonde hair is really Marla McGivers, or someone who falls into a similar role. Seeing the hands separated by the glass makes me a little sad.
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Old December 8 2012, 03:33 AM   #739
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Saying it's Dehner based on a hair cut is odd. Other than Spock and maybe McCoy, which character had the same hairstyle as their TV counterparts?
And McCoy parts his differently.
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Old December 8 2012, 06:05 AM   #740
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Has anyone yet mentioned the Klingons seen in the trailer?
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Saying it's Dehner based on a hair cut is odd. Other than Spock and maybe McCoy, which character had the same hairstyle as their TV counterparts?
And McCoy parts his differently.
As does the alleged "Dehner" in the teaser.
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Old December 8 2012, 06:14 AM   #741
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I posted this over on TrekMovie and though I'd toss this out here...

All this debate makes me dizzy. With all the brainpower and cash involved in this film don’t you think the audience deserves something ORIGINAL! Is that so much to expect? Retread, reboot, Mitchell, Khan, Garth… been there done that, seen that version, heard that story, please let’s move on…!

What if every episode of TNG has just been some kind of throwback or remake of TOS episode. Heck, if The Naked Now were released today as a movie that cost 200 mil, would everyone be happily, joyously embracing it or would they be demanding more?

I wonder…
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Old December 8 2012, 06:30 AM   #742
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I think in some ways it's a tribute to the fans to use some of the secondary characters or ships or planets from the series because they are the only ones that will "get it." Whether it's Khan or Mitchell or Garth or someone else I don't think it will be a "remake" anymore than The Dark Knight was a remake of any other Batman story with the Joker. I like the idea of playing with the characters and doing new things with them.
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Old December 8 2012, 06:30 AM   #743
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All this debate makes me dizzy. With all the brainpower and cash involved in this film don’t you think the audience deserves something ORIGINAL! Is that so much to expect? Retread, reboot, Mitchell, Khan, Garth… been there done that, seen that version, heard that story, please let’s move on…!
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Old December 8 2012, 06:58 AM   #744
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All this debate makes me dizzy. With all the brainpower and cash involved in this film don’t you think the audience deserves something ORIGINAL! Is that so much to expect? Retread, reboot, Mitchell, Khan, Garth… been there done that, seen that version, heard that story, please let’s move on…!
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I listened. [/pats teacake on the shoulder]
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Old December 8 2012, 07:01 AM   #745
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Re: The Star Trek Into Darkness teaser trailer is here!

To be fair, the new Kirk does have curvaceous and shapely hips. That's....kind of close.
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Old December 8 2012, 07:01 AM   #746
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Bring on Jamie Teacake Kirk!
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Old December 8 2012, 08:02 AM   #747
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To be fair, the new Kirk does have curvaceous and shapely hips. That's....kind of close.
If you are Spock perhaps.
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Old December 8 2012, 01:55 PM   #748
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In this instance, there would appear to be too much backstory to quickly get the uninitiated up to speed. "Oh, look, it's Kirk's old friend who got superpowers and went crazy when we tried to fly outside the galaxy so we killed him and shot his body into space but now he's come back to life somehow and now he wants revenge. And he doesn't seem to have his god-like abilities anymore."
This can be easily explained in a 1 minute 30 second flashback montage sequence with Cumberbatch voice over. Forget the cartoons, and forget that silly "the audience is too stupid" idea.


Cumberbatch's "Is there anything you would not do for your family?" sounds like a justification rather than a challenge to me.
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Old December 8 2012, 02:02 PM   #749
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Thinking about the fly-over scene and the different uniforms. IF it is a funeral or a memorial service it could be for all the deaths on Vulcan.
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Old December 8 2012, 02:05 PM   #750
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Thinking about the fly-over scene and the different uniforms. IF it is a funeral or a memorial service it could be for all the deaths on Vulcan.
So the Enterprise first blasts off into the end credits of the first film, and then they return for a memorial service at the beginning of the second film?
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