Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

[Trekker4747]

You know if we're going to go through this frame-by-frame to pick out the most minor and smallest of errors....

[dg1379]

Trekker4747 wrote:

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You know if we're going to go through this frame-by-frame to pick out the most minor and smallest of errors....

Read my mind!

[Salinga]

Again: How can someone work on a special effects scene like this, sitting at his desk and looking at it on his monitor for at least an hour - probably much more - and NOT see this?

How?

[Borjis]

Salinga wrote:

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Again: How can someone work on a special effects scene like this, sitting at his desk and looking at it on his monitor for at least an hour - probably much more - and NOT see this?

How?

And Dan Curry said in that interview of a vfx artist: "If I have to stay late to make sure the shot looks good, I stay late...."

uh huh.

[Trekker4747]

Salinga wrote:

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Again: How can someone work on a special effects scene like this, sitting at his desk and looking at it on his monitor for at least an hour - probably much more - and NOT see this?

How?

Shit happens. Want to complain about the poor lighting on the ships, not fixing some of the wash from the blue-screens onto the stage, or even the errors of the scenery extending beyond the clipped ship? Fine, even though some of those are pretty quick errors you have to look for to notice. But to examine and zoom in on some overlay on a few frames of the view screen? That's getting damn petty and just needlessly picky.

I admit there's a lot of problems with the way the effects were done in this season (and CBS/Paramount obviously agreed so they switched back to their home house to do the other seasons), the colors in the opening of "The Child" look bad, I'll grant that, that's a major, big, shot too. It's obvious and hard to ignore. I think I can overlook this very, very minor issue with a sliver of the monitor intruding on the wall.

[Dream]

Trekker4747 wrote:

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I think I can overlook this very, very minor issue with a sliver of the monitor intruding on the wall.

I don't think I would have even noticed a problem if the big red circle wasn't drawn on it by that person.

[NewHorizon]

I think it's just one more example of many with the lack of quality and care that went into the S2 effects work. So glad I stood by my decision not to buy it.

[BillJ]

NewHorizon wrote:

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I think it's just one more example of many with the lack of quality and care that went into the S2 effects work. So glad I stood by my decision not to buy it.

You're missing out.

While some issues do exist, overall the set is a solid 'B' compared to season one's 'A+'.

Glad I decided to go ahead and pick it up.

[Trekker4747]

Same here, the effects restoration work certainly leaves a LOT to be desired and a lot really does make me wonder how it passed muster but, overall, I'm glad I bought the set. A sliver of viewscreen on the wall, or an off-color space shot isn't going to prevent me from enjoying the episodes.

[trekker670]

Borjis wrote:

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And Dan Curry said in that interview of a vfx artist: "If I have to stay late to make sure the shot looks good, I stay late...."

uh huh.

As a programmer, I know that late nights are precisely what allows mistakes like these to come through. They're subtle (really, not a big deal IMHO), but keeps a product from being perfect and if you're tired or rushed to get it done, you won't notice it.

[Trekker4747]

Up the Long Ladder

In spite of the -very- broad stereotypes with the Irish colonists in this episode this is one I really enjoy. The woman leader of the Irish colony was a fun strong female character, I liked most of the interactions between the colonists and the Enterprise crew and the final solution I find to be an interesting one too as it is presented. Not one of Trek's more solid episodes, sure, but I think it is one that holds up.

[Salinga]

Trekker4747 wrote:

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Shit happens.

lol, since these mistakes happened on a "regular basis" with season 2, you are saying "Shit Happens" is the standard rule for HTV's restauration work?

[Salinga]

trekker670 wrote:

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As a programmer, I know that late nights are precisely what allows mistakes like these to come through.

But Curry said it to imply: We did these over hours to make sure, the work has the best quality. Now you are saying, Curry in fact ment: We had to work over hours to get it somehow done in the given amount of time!?

[trekker670]

Salinga wrote:

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But Curry said it to imply: We did these over hours to make sure, the work has the best quality. Now you are saying, Curry in fact ment: We had to work over hours to get it somehow done in the given amount of time!?

I'm not implying that is what he meant, I'm just saying that when employees are tired, mistakes happen. My original statement was more of a joke than anything serious.

[Salinga]

trekker670 wrote:

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I'm not implying that is what he meant, I'm just saying that when employees are tired, mistakes happen. My original statement was more of a joke than anything serious.

lol, mine too. Hence the smiley.