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Old December 7 2012, 04:04 PM   #1186
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And we're hitting the point in Vektor's work where I stop marveling at the art and start wishing I could wander around in his pictures with a screwdriver to take things apart. "What does this do, hmmm?"

In the support beam over the console are six red things that could be lights or pipes. It doesn't make much sense for them to be pipes, and they don't look like an effective arrangement of lights, either. Do you have any specific thoughts on what they are, or did you just texture in that space with something that looks technological?

The foreground console looks gorgeous now -- even more photorealistic.

I'm also fond of the cobalt shock absorbers (or whatever they are) attached to the ring. That does a nice job of breaking up the uniform grey of the compartment while still looking metallic.

You probably already know this, but you need signage. Lots of yellow and black "WARNING -- Lorem ipsum dolor" stuff on various bulkheads and gizmos.

It occurs to me that if I lived on a spaceship like this, I'd want posters and calendars of ... trees. Forget naked women, cars, motorcycles, and popular stars, I'd just want to let my eyes fall on a beautiful landscape where I can imagine warm sun and twittering birds.

Alright, and maybe naked women.
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Old December 7 2012, 04:14 PM   #1187
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Awesome engineering stuff! me like! me like!
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Old December 7 2012, 07:09 PM   #1188
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Ah, the step down in the foreground makes more sense, now.

I'm having fun working out the profile of those vertical pillar-things surrounding the central control banks.
The railing and deck height change also eliminates the question of why there aren't controls on both sides of the console.

As for the vertical "pillar-things," I can probably draw you a detail that will help them make more sense. Look for it some time this afternoon.

Also, I should probably mention that I never intended to have control banks on all six sides of that central cluster. I was thinking only two on opposite sides. The other four would be taken up by machinery and equipment. I was able to avoid having to deal with any of that in this illustration because the only one of those sides that happens to be facing the camera is conveniently obscured by the vertical strut Petri is working at. I just felt that six monitoring and control stations would be massive overkill, especially with the additional consoles scattered around the perimeter

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In the support beam over the console are six red things that could be lights or pipes. It doesn't make much sense for them to be pipes, and they don't look like an effective arrangement of lights, either. Do you have any specific thoughts on what they are, or did you just texture in that space with something that looks technological?
The original placeholder background plate the team was using for this scene had an archway with banded red lights along the inside. It was a feature that everybody liked so I did my best to preserve it as I went along with these design iterations. They have no designated function, but they might be something as simple as condition indicators, like all the cove lights and illumination strips that turn red on Trek starships when they go to red alert. They might also convey information about specific systems. Or maybe they're great big fuses or something. Take your pick.

The foreground console looks gorgeous now -- even more photorealistic.
Cool, I'm glad it appears convincing. Ironically, I'm not actually going for photorealism here. This is truly just a concept sketch, not a matte painting intended to appear in the actual shot. Dennis is working on the 3D modeled virtual set right now and I'm eager to see how it turns out.

I'm also fond of the cobalt shock absorbers (or whatever they are) attached to the ring. That does a nice job of breaking up the uniform grey of the compartment while still looking metallic.
Yeah, I was trying to inject more color into the space so I decided to just paint the things blue. I used a lot of photo references of actual engine rooms and noticed that most of them tend to be fairly bright and clean with freshly painted pipes and conduits and railings and such. I haven't actually dirtied this image up yet, which I still intend to do, but I probably won't be going overboard with it because it's literally dangerous for these kinds of spaces not to be kept clean.

You probably already know this, but you need signage. Lots of yellow and black "WARNING -- Lorem ipsum dolor" stuff on various bulkheads and gizmos.
Yeah, I'm already working on a reference sheet of signage and indicators, many of them borrowed from photos of the physical sets, that will be scattered around in appropriate places.

It occurs to me that if I lived on a spaceship like this, I'd want posters and calendars of ... trees. Forget naked women, cars, motorcycles, and popular stars, I'd just want to let my eyes fall on a beautiful landscape where I can imagine warm sun and twittering birds.

Alright, and maybe naked women.
Hey, I've already got a welcome mat painted on the deck outside one of the EVA bays, so why should Main Control be strictly regulation?
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Old December 7 2012, 09:02 PM   #1189
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My Name Is Legion wrote: View Post
Ah, the step down in the foreground makes more sense, now.

I'm having fun working out the profile of those vertical pillar-things surrounding the central control banks.
They remind me of the gemini capsule.
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Old December 8 2012, 06:11 AM   #1190
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As to signage, it's fairly low density on the other sets, so I wouldn't get carried away with it.

One small example if you look to the lower left and right of the overhead monitor bank in the image below, you'll see small aluminum disks (at 2cm across), alongside which are small blue labels, and below those are little white labels with black circles.


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These labels are from the signage sheet below, which I created for a short film 9 years ago.



You can see the same aluminum disks to the lower right of each of the screens at eye-level when seated at the station. During the film, Nicholls periodically touches a flashing blue lipstick-sized prop to these. The actor joked it was a thumb drive. I said it was a logic probe.

IMPORTANT. Dennis may have told you this, but no green. It's a rule for this ship.

Anyway, below are some of the other labels I had on set. A few were used here and there for color (except the green ones), but not many. (Yes, they're chock full of gags.) If any of them are useful, have at.




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Old December 9 2012, 12:37 AM   #1191
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No green. Turquoise maybe.

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Old December 9 2012, 07:19 PM   #1192
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Okay, I'm a little late with this but here's an elevation detail of some of that stuff in the middle of the engineering deck. This is very basic but it should help to clarify the profiles of all those peculiar objects.

I'll see if I can flesh this out further when I get the time.

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Old December 10 2012, 01:47 AM   #1193
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That helps immensely. I was guessing at angles, positions and relative heights before. Thanks.
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Old December 12 2012, 02:17 AM   #1194
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Okay, this is pretty subtle, but...is one of these better than the other? Do you see any difference?

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Old December 12 2012, 03:09 AM   #1195
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I like A more. Are you sure this isn't an AB exam for glasses?

A seems duller and less bright overall. B seems to bright and edged out if you know what I mean
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Old December 12 2012, 03:10 AM   #1196
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I did think of my last eye exam when I posted that, yeah.

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Old December 12 2012, 03:33 AM   #1197
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Honestly, I can't see any difference.
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Old December 12 2012, 03:35 AM   #1198
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Old December 12 2012, 03:46 AM   #1199
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Yeah, I'm trying to get a read on what level of shading will really be noticable - especially in motion at HD video resolutions. Clearly minor variations of panel lines are not going to make any difference.

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Old December 12 2012, 04:47 AM   #1200
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Okay, now that you mention the panel lines, I can see that the ones in the top image are definitely clearer and more pronounced, but I seriously doubt the difference would be noticeable at all when animated.

Personally, I think any panel lines other than the ones that are modeled should be very subtle.
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