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The Next Generation All Good Things come to an end...but not here.

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Old December 5 2012, 12:39 AM   #1336
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Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

I'm not a fan of the washed-out look. The Excelsior is also much grainier looking than the Enterprise. It doesn't look like they belong in the same shot.

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x...ild_hd_005.jpg

That's more like it:
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...int_hd_490.jpg
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Old December 5 2012, 12:44 AM   #1337
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jimbotron wrote: View Post
Borjis wrote: View Post
jimbotron wrote: View Post
The Enterprise actually looks pretty good in this shot. Too bad it didn't look like it consistently through season 2:
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x...ild_hd_223.jpg

really?

it's way too dull looking imo. like it was painted in primer.
Compared to these, I think so.
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/image...ndaled4_hd.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/image...tgomery_hd.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/image...sdrema4_hd.jpg
I think they all look good. I don't need the ship to be lit the exact same way in every shot, and don't understand why other fans apparently do.
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Old December 5 2012, 12:47 AM   #1338
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Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

It still looks good for a twenty-five year old TV series. Watching Where Silence Has Lease and my biggest issue so far is how over lit the Enterprise is.
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Old December 5 2012, 12:51 AM   #1339
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I think they all look good. I don't need the ship to be lit the exact same way in every shot, and don't understand why other fans apparently do.
I personally feel that there's a difference between being lit differently and being lit well. CBS-D lit the ship differently as well, but they still made the ship look like it belonged in the environment. HTV has, with a few exceptions, failed to do the same. The lighting is flat, washed out. I noticed it in the preview for Season 2 on the Season 1 bluray. We were told those were just placeholder shots but for the most part, they don't look all that different. Even though HTV pulled some of the same tinting tricks CBS did to make it look like the planet is casting light, HTV couldn't pull it off.

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Old December 5 2012, 01:21 AM   #1340
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What really makes it stick out is that it looks like the credits done for season one were reused for season two. The ship in the episodes doesn't match the ship in the credits.
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Old December 5 2012, 02:10 AM   #1341
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jimbotron wrote: View Post

I'm not a fan of the washed-out look. The Excelsior is also much grainier looking than the Enterprise. It doesn't look like they belong in the same shot.

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x...ild_hd_005.jpg

That's more like it:
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...int_hd_490.jpg

THATS what I'm talking about. (490.jpg)

When I first saw that in the sampler disc, the first thought was for once the Excelsior looks great again like it did in ST III.

It never looked good on the DVD sets.

Grain aside the problem in particular with Excelsior is that it wasn't color-corrected. (005.jpg)
Plus we know the Excelsior is not green/yellow cast. Unless it just paid a visit to that Tholian weird space territory.
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Old December 5 2012, 03:32 AM   #1342
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Amazon screwed up my order and now I will not get it until the 17th or 18th
That sucks Patrick! But I feel your pain! I pre-ordered from Amazon late last month, but even so, they now estimate a shipping date which is two days AFTER it is released here in
Australia!

Hmm...think I`ll be cancelling this order

Hope Amazon do a better job for Season 3.

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Old December 5 2012, 03:38 AM   #1343
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Borjis wrote: View Post
jimbotron wrote: View Post

I'm not a fan of the washed-out look. The Excelsior is also much grainier looking than the Enterprise. It doesn't look like they belong in the same shot.

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x...ild_hd_005.jpg

That's more like it:
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...int_hd_490.jpg

THATS what I'm talking about. (490.jpg)

When I first saw that in the sampler disc, the first thought was for once the Excelsior looks great again like it did in ST III.

It never looked good on the DVD sets.

Grain aside the problem in particular with Excelsior is that it wasn't color-corrected. (005.jpg)
Plus we know the Excelsior is not green/yellow cast. Unless it just paid a visit to that Tholian weird space territory.
Ugh!
What were HTV thinking?
That shot of the Excelsior-class from S2 is rubbish.
Hope it doesn`t stick out so much with its crappy lack
of color correction and grain in the actual ep.

But I sure won`t be using that S2 screencap as my wallpaper
(as I have been for months for the above shot for S1...of the Ent-D and the Hood, love that shot!!)

Thank goodness HTV-i is gone after this season!
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Old December 5 2012, 03:40 AM   #1344
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Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

Just started watching some of the features and here's some thoughts, even though I haven't watched a lot.

Making it So: Part 1

I can already say this is living up to the standards set by Stardate revisited from Season 1. One thing I'm really picking up though this time around is how candid and open Rick Berman was. Like him or hate him (And man I remember the days when I first joined where he was literally the most hated man ever to be associated with Star Trek), I'm appreciating his candor here, especially when he admitted his mistake of maintaining a distance with the fans. I didn't like what he did with Star Trek in the Enterprise years, but I respect him for the good that he did do.

A lot of this part seemed to be mostly from the screening I went to last week. You had Malinda Snodgrass talking about writing Measure of a Man, Rob Bowman on how he got his start with Elementary Dear Data and Q Who? and it's just really well done.

I think the thing I like about these special features over the ones from the DVD is that they feel a whole lot more conclusive. Here I think half of season 1 was featured or clipped on, while in the DVDs they only talked about 2 or 3 episodes. I hate to use the word because it's become one of the most overused words this year, but the "Narrative" feels like it's flowing a whole lot more here. Also, the footage of Phase 2 and that segment was really really interesting as I've never really seen any Phase 2 footage before other than the Motion Picture special feature of the Director's Cut.

Reading Rainbow Segment

It's been a long time since I saw Reading Rainbow, but man this segment was awesome. You really do go behind the scenes and understand what it took to put this show together. Sometimes I feel like I learn a whole lot more if you hear it on a child's level (I feel the same way at Mass too when it's like a school mass and the Homily is targeted towards children) and it was just neat. I'm sure it's easier today (With a much bigger budget too) but I do really wonder how much this process has changed. Other than CGI, I'm not sure it's changed all that much.

Season 2 Tech Update

Not much to be said here. You had Dan Curry talk about the restoration process and through it all I was kind of rolling my eyes.

I know there were talks about Boycotting this set because of the issues involved, but I can't boycott a set that gave me more inside footage of my favorite show, really providing that Narrative from the birth of the series to it's continuing development, and the crew being able to get Diana Maulder and John De Lancie to be interviewed. I'm hoping part 2 covers more ground in terms of why Gates McFadden left (Which is what I've been hoping for) and why Diana Maulder left at the end of the season never to be heard from again. I hope they talk more about the writers strike (They even talked about Shades of Gray in Part 1) and get deeper into behind the scenes of Season 2. I know I won't be disappointed because I'm already grateful for what this crew and CBS have brought already. I keep saying it, this is what I wanted on the original DVD release.
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Old December 5 2012, 04:01 AM   #1345
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Season 3 trailer is up in 1080p! Looks fucking amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=n85J7KYOtAg
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Old December 5 2012, 04:06 AM   #1346
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I'm watching the various extended features right now, loved the cast reunion.

Oh, and even though they're mostly meaningless graphical sprites, I'm glad the large "dead area" in the menu was filled in with SOMETHING.
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Old December 5 2012, 04:24 AM   #1347
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Ended up cancelling my unshipped Amazon order, as my Best Buy had it in stock. It was nice to be treated to the Season 3 trailer right off the bat. Damn, those sets got bright in S3!
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Old December 5 2012, 04:58 AM   #1348
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Season 2 Tech Update

Not much to be said here. You had Dan Curry talk about the restoration process and through it all I was kind of rolling my eyes.
Ditto. Here's the main quote from Dan Curry (I cut out the hypothetical bit about 17K and 3D):

All of us working on the restoration believe that this is how Next Generation will live in an indefinite period of time ... so we were, every artist who worked on the project believe that, and that if it means I stay an extra hour or two, if it means I stay here all night, I want each shot to be as good as we can possibly make it. There was no question about "that's good enough, oh just let that go." Every shot was approached with that same dedication to excellence.
Uh huh. Their dedication to excellence and never saying "that's good enough, just let it go" resulted in this:



But he was right. This is how season 2 will live for an indefinite period of time, and that's what sucks.
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Old December 5 2012, 05:20 AM   #1349
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Season 3 trailer looks EPIC, almost makes me want to forget season 2 completely and move straight on to the season 3 thread!

(Although....was the Enterprise ALWAYS firing phasers at the Borg ship from it's NACELLE struts? Seems an odd angle and not something it ever did before or since, though I'm sure I'm just mis-remembering rather than doubting the work of CBS-D )

Disappointing they didn't improve the flat BOP explosion in Yesterdays Enterprise though, but maybe that's just a trailer goof.
(And I look forward to seeing it AGAIN at the end of Redemption and AGAIN in RASCALS among others.... )

Back to S2, I can't believe they didn't do anything about the 2ft model.
The thing looks damn unwatchable at times. Particularly the scene in the wormhole in Time Squared....honestly, even CGI would've looked better than that debacle.
It doesn't even make sense within episode either.
The Enterprise goes from highly detailed surface textures to suddenly a wormhole appearing completely flat.
Maybe it was a 2-dimensional wormhole but the interior scenes showed no evidence of the crew being crushed inside their own quarters/ten forward nor were there any reports stating as such, so for it to suddenly appear flat and lifeless is just wrong.
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Old December 5 2012, 05:27 AM   #1350
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Disappointing they didn't improve the flat BOP explosion in Yesterdays Enterprise though, but maybe that's just a trailer goof.
(And I look forward to seeing it AGAIN at the end of Redemption and AGAIN in RASCALS among others.... )
Which explosion are you talking about? I can't find a bad looking explosion in that trailer...
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