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Old December 4 2012, 12:40 AM   #16
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Re: USS Enterprise inactivation ceremony

The WW2 era CV-6 was never included in those displays. And it was the one real Enterprise that should have been.
As for longevity of aircraft carriers. There's an aircraft carrier on display in Corpus Christie called the USS Lexington. It's one of the first WW2 era Essex class built and was launched in 1942. It was decommissioned in 1993. Making it also 51 years old at it's decommisioning. It's the sister of the Intrepid in New York City, the Hornet in Oakland, and the Yorktown in South Carolina.
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Old December 4 2012, 02:19 AM   #17
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Here's an article about CVN-80 being named Enterprise:

http://www.dailypress.com/news/break...0,764621.story

Every Trek fan will be happy for this! We've had the old Enterprise in service for the entirety of the franchise history until now; it would be tragic not to have a ship named Enterprise around - or at least planned to be around.

Now, while the CVN-80 Enterprise won't be commissioned until 2025-2027, keep in mind that the hull is designed to be in service for a whopping 50 years MINIMUM - for comparison, the previous Enterprise was designed for 25 years and more than doubled it. Our next Enterprise will be with us for a good long time!

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Yeah, by that reckoning its successor will be the NX-01 .

PS you do realise all those wall displays of previous Enterprises in Star Trek are now no longer canon .
None of those displays have ever featured all Enterprises. Obviously they're all missing the NX-01. The one in TMP is the only one to feature the ringship, and they've only ever featured one aircraft carrier, despite the fact that there have already been two in the US Navy (CVN-80 will be the third). Hell, the one in the Enterprise D's briefing room left out the 19th century Enterprise, only had one aircraft carrier, and featured the wrong designs for the Enterprises B and C.

The canonical value of those displays has not been threatened at all.
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Old December 4 2012, 02:50 AM   #18
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Re: USS Enterprise inactivation ceremony

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The WW2 era CV-6 was never included in those displays.
I guess you didn't see Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

EDIT: Link doesn't want to work.
Go to Memory Alpha. Type CV-6 into their search.
Article will appear in list as USS Enterprise (CV-6).

Thanks to The Wormhole for the holler.
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Old December 4 2012, 05:33 AM   #19
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The WW2 era CV-6 was never included in those displays.
I guess you didn't see Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(CV-6)
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Old December 4 2012, 06:27 AM   #20
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Thanks for the warning, I failed to test it. Urls look the same to me so don't know what happened. I modified the post.

I deserve Zek's "You failed. MISERABLY!" for that.
Maybe he should be a custom emoticon here.
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Old December 4 2012, 09:28 AM   #21
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Enterprise CV-6 is in TMP? I don't seem to remember it. Now I've got an excuse to go watch my Director's Cut. Again. Much better than the original. I like the idea of changing pictures.
There needs to be a petition to save the ship for a museum. The first nuclear sub, USS Nautilus with it's one nuclear reactor, is on display in Conneticut. In the water yet. It should be possible, after defueling the Enterprise, to pump in concrete and fill all of the contaminated machinery spaces. The ship's been defueled and refueled before. All it would take is money. And I'd pay extra taxes fot that.
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Old December 4 2012, 09:37 AM   #22
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Re: USS Enterprise inactivation ceremony

The CV-6 photo is probably pretty small. It's when Decker and Ilia are on the rec deck. "All these ships were named Enterprise."
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Old December 4 2012, 05:16 PM   #23
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There needs to be a petition to save the ship for a museum. The first nuclear sub, USS Nautilus with it's one nuclear reactor, is on display in Conneticut. In the water yet. It should be possible, after defueling the Enterprise, to pump in concrete and fill all of the contaminated machinery spaces. The ship's been defueled and refueled before. All it would take is money. And I'd pay extra taxes fot that.
We've been over that before. The difficulties and costs would be enormous, and it's never going to happen.

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Old December 4 2012, 10:23 PM   #24
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Hum, this makes me curious. Summarizing the ship linneages seen in various episodes or movies:

Enterprise: Sailing ship, CV-65, Shuttle, NX-01. (a fifth sketch of CV-6 was made but not used)

TMP: Sailing ship, CV-6, Shuttle, Ringship, pre-refit TOS Enterprise.

E-D: CVN-65 and five Enterprises, E-nil through E-D. Note that none of these are especially detailed (for example CVN-65 has the right island tower, but a non-angled deck that could be CV-6) so one MIGHT forgive the E-B differences, but not the E-C.

E-E (First Contact): Six Enterprises, E-nil through E-E

E-E (Nemesis): Same thing (same models, stacked up on one side of the main display)

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Old December 5 2012, 09:31 AM   #25
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I think that on TNG that the Enterprise models were all just profile models attached to thee back wall. Not full-blown models. Where as on FC we saw full model kits that were just painted gold. That way they could fly apart and break when Picard hit the display case. That way Lily could say "You broke your little ships."
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Old December 5 2012, 07:07 PM   #26
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The E-D lounge models did have more than just profile - they didn't exactly feature the saucers proportionately sticking out of the wall (which would have been tough to walk around), but they had more detail around various nacelles, etc.:

http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com...pg?w=655&h=362

And hey, I was wrong about the E-E lounge - it DID feature the same six Enterprises on both sides of the main viewer:

http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/...den-starships/

Interestingly enough, John Eaves had made models of the shuttle, CVN-65, plus a non-refit Excelsior, Miranda, Intrepid, and Oberth (!) models to go in the "other" case opposite; however when he brought them to the studio he found they'd already put duplicates of the six Enterprises in both cases. It's silly to have a mirrored display like that, but I think I like that idea better than having to explain why four unrelated ship classes are in there too, or why the NX-01 isn't in there despite the show being on the air at that time (and stranger still that Eaves designed the thing).

http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/...en-enterprise/

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Old December 6 2012, 02:41 AM   #27
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^^The NX-01 was designed by Drexler, not Eaves.
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