Skyfall - Grading & Discussion - Page 27

sojourner · December 2 2012, 10:15 PM

Fair enough.

ROBE · December 3 2012, 09:10 AM

Guards are always useless in fiction, Sir Terry Pratchett in his book the Last Hero even makes reference to this.
People employed as guards wouldn't notice a male prisoner escaping dressed as a woman even with three weeks of beard growth.

Saul · December 3 2012, 09:33 AM

Not a bad movie but not the best and overhyped in my opinion. It's a more personal Bond film but I didn't feel there was anything new discovered about his past that the previous 22 movies didn't show.

Captaindemotion · December 3 2012, 10:45 AM

ROBE wrote:

Guards are always useless in fiction, Sir Terry Pratchett in his book the Last Hero even makes reference to this.
People employed as guards wouldn't notice a male prisoner escaping dressed as a woman even with three weeks of beard growth.

This has actually happened in reality:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_(H...pted_breakouts

MacLeod · December 3 2012, 06:55 PM

Gaith wrote:

Mister Fandango wrote:

Yeah, the groundskeeper who's been there for decades upon decades wouldn't know where the dangerous terrain was by heart.

This...

Mister Fandango wrote:

But, somehow, the decrepit old church they could see in the distance once the sun was up was somehow safer than the tunnels they likely wouldn't have had a clue even existed.

And this.

Even if the flashlight had been necessary, and it wasn't, so long as the beam was pointed down at a 45-degree angle, away from the house at all times, it probably wouldn't have been a problem. But the guy was waving it all around.

So it's a cold night (perhaps winters night), you're walking over uneven ground, the light from the fire might not cast much light ahead of you due to the uneven ground. So you might use a torch and sweep ahead of you to see if there is a safer/easier path.

sojourner · December 3 2012, 08:10 PM

MacLeod wrote:

sweep ahead of you

The key part. Not "wave it around like a drunken sailor looking for his wooden leg".

Arpy · December 5 2012, 06:33 AM

I stepped out briefly during the movie: was Silva gay or was he screwing the girl, or was he gay but such an asshole he was also screwing the girl?

And isn't the bombing on MI6, the attack during the hearing, and M's death (head of British intelligence) just one huge clusterfuck for the UK in the Bond universe? Wouldn't the mood in the nation be a mess?

Starkers · December 5 2012, 01:17 PM

FPAlpha wrote:

Trekker4747 wrote:

And, really, it's a flaw that could have been rectified by a line or two of dialogue. Have Q say that somehow Silva's programing is breaking through MI6's firewalls and security measures. It'd be a weak excuse but it'd at least be something. Instead it seems more like it just never dawned on him that such a thing could happen when he connected the machine.

Professional arrogance.. he's one of the best IT specialists in the world and works for MI6.. surely no one can invade or crack his system!

Exactly, it's the arrogance of the man who thinks he's the smartest man in the room. It's still a bit daft but that does go part way to explaining it.

Trekker4747 · December 5 2012, 02:14 PM

Arpy wrote:

I stepped out briefly during the movie: was Silva gay or was he screwing the girl, or was he gay but such an asshole he was also screwing the girl?

Irrelevant and not addressed. Also, irrelevant.

And isn't the bombing on MI6, the attack during the hearing, and M's death (head of British intelligence) just one huge clusterfuck for the UK in the Bond universe? Wouldn't the mood in the nation be a mess?

Eh, it's Britain, they'll drink some tea, eat some crumpets watch some inexplicable "humor" and get over it.

In all honesty it probably WOULD be a huge mess for MI6 and the government but they'd recover quickly enough especially after finding and killing the guy who did it within days.

MacLeod · December 5 2012, 02:36 PM

Arpy wrote:

I stepped out briefly during the movie: was Silva gay or was he screwing the girl, or was he gay but such an asshole he was also screwing the girl?

And isn't the bombing on MI6, the attack during the hearing, and M's death (head of British intelligence) just one huge clusterfuck for the UK in the Bond universe? Wouldn't the mood in the nation be a mess?

As opposed to any number of other terrorist attacks that have occured in the UK?

All the attacks demonstrated esp. the one on the hearing was the need for things like MI6.

Starkers · December 5 2012, 02:46 PM

MacLeod wrote:

Arpy wrote:

I stepped out briefly during the movie: was Silva gay or was he screwing the girl, or was he gay but such an asshole he was also screwing the girl?

And isn't the bombing on MI6, the attack during the hearing, and M's death (head of British intelligence) just one huge clusterfuck for the UK in the Bond universe? Wouldn't the mood in the nation be a mess?

As opposed to any number of other terrorist attacks that have occured in the UK?

All the attacks demonstrated esp. the one on the hearing was the need for things like MI6.

Yeah, most people went back to work the day after 7/7. In part it's down to all the IRA attacks we had to deal with.

As for Silva's sexuality. I suspect he was bi, although it's equally possible the come on to 007 was just him fucking with Bond (phychologically you understand

).

ATimson · December 5 2012, 02:49 PM

Snowjourner wrote:

MacLeod wrote:

sweep ahead of you

The key part. Not "wave it around like a drunken sailor looking for his wooden leg".

I thought they had a lantern (omnidirectional), not a torch (directional). It's a bit hard to sweep a lantern in only one direction...

RoJoHen · December 5 2012, 03:42 PM

Trekker4747 wrote:

Arpy wrote:

I stepped out briefly during the movie: was Silva gay or was he screwing the girl, or was he gay but such an asshole he was also screwing the girl?

Irrelevant and not addressed. Also, irrelevant.

Though it did result in some funny dialogue.

"What makes you think this is my first time?"

Professor Zoom · December 5 2012, 03:55 PM

Trekker4747 wrote:

In all honesty it probably WOULD be a huge mess for MI6 and the government but they'd recover quickly enough especially after finding and killing the guy who did it within days.

And firing the guy who was responsible for allowing the terrorist to kill the head of MI6...

sojourner · December 5 2012, 08:41 PM

ATimson wrote:

Snowjourner wrote:

MacLeod wrote:

sweep ahead of you

The key part. Not "wave it around like a drunken sailor looking for his wooden leg".

I thought they had a lantern (omnidirectional), not a torch (directional). It's a bit hard to sweep a lantern in only one direction...

The light we see is definitely directional. A lantern would have not have shown as the "wandering beam" seen in the movie but rather a constant point light that would have been even more obvious.

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December 2 2012, 10:15 PM	#391
sojourner Vice Admiral Location: I'm at WKRP	Re: Skyfall - Grading & Discussion Fair enough. __________________ Baby, you and me were never meant to be, just maybe think of me once in a while...

December 3 2012, 09:10 AM	#392
ROBE Lieutenant Commander	Re: Skyfall - Grading & Discussion Guards are always useless in fiction, Sir Terry Pratchett in his book the Last Hero even makes reference to this. People employed as guards wouldn't notice a male prisoner escaping dressed as a woman even with three weeks of beard growth.

December 3 2012, 09:33 AM	#393
Saul Rear Admiral Location: 東京	Re: Skyfall - Grading & Discussion Not a bad movie but not the best and overhyped in my opinion. It's a more personal Bond film but I didn't feel there was anything new discovered about his past that the previous 22 movies didn't show. __________________ "It's not that you can see the strings, it's that 40 years later you're still looking at them." - Steven Moffat "This movie was big. Imagine how big it could have been with me in it?" William Shatner

December 5 2012, 06:33 AM	#397
Arpy Rear Admiral	Re: Skyfall - Grading & Discussion I stepped out briefly during the movie: was Silva gay or was he screwing the girl, or was he gay but such an asshole he was also screwing the girl? And isn't the bombing on MI6, the attack during the hearing, and M's death (head of British intelligence) just one huge clusterfuck for the UK in the Bond universe? Wouldn't the mood in the nation be a mess?

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