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Old November 29 2012, 12:33 AM   #16
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Old December 1 2012, 03:47 PM   #17
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Isn't it time we just let the franchise die? It had its run, you can't really stretch it forever (IMO).
Have we stopped retelling fairytales, like "The Three Little Pigs", fables like "The Hare and the Tortoise", Shakespearean plays, "Zorro", "Tarzan", "Sherlock Holmes", "Superman", "Batman", "Spiderman", "James Bond 007"?

Why should "Star Trek" die? It's modern mythology.
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Old December 1 2012, 08:33 PM   #18
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A better question is... should there be one?

Sure, sure, I'm itching for new Trek just like everyone else, but is Trek still relevant today?
More accurately, can Trek be made relevant while remaining Trek?

Are there still new directions to explore?

Isn't it time we just let the franchise die? It had its run, you can't really stretch it forever (IMO).
Been saying the same thing for years. If it's got a way different vibe, but is shoehorned into a universe with Trek names and terminology, it's better to put new wine in new wineskins, as a famous rabbi said.

On the other hand, if it had the same fun, explorey, humane vibe as in much of TOS and TNG, bring it on.
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Old December 1 2012, 10:37 PM   #19
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Isn't it time we just let the franchise die? It had its run, you can't really stretch it forever (IMO).
Have we stopped retelling fairytales, like "The Three Little Pigs", fables like "The Hare and the Tortoise", Shakespearean plays, "Zorro", "Tarzan", "Sherlock Holmes", "Superman", "Batman", "Spiderman", "James Bond 007"?

Why should "Star Trek" die? It's modern mythology.
Aaaah, but therein lies my point: nobody is writing new "Shakespearean" plays.
Modern tragedies are unlike classical tragedies; the themes reflect their times.
Shakespeare's plays are still being (thankfully!) performed, of course, but that's the same as watching old Trek episodes.

I think Trek has ran for so long that it's bound to either reiterate itself (ENT already did plenty of that) or go in directions that aren't really in line with Trek's core ethos (and DS9 did plenty of that); at which point, wouldn't it be better to make a new, unrelated, space opera?
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Old December 1 2012, 10:41 PM   #20
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We have new, unrelated space operas.

And we have new, intricately related Trek.

And if Trek goes in directions that "aren't really in line with Trek's core ethos" then we have both in one package.
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Old December 1 2012, 11:17 PM   #21
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Isn't it time we just let the franchise die? It had its run, you can't really stretch it forever (IMO).
Have we stopped retelling fairytales, like "The Three Little Pigs", fables like "The Hare and the Tortoise", Shakespearean plays, "Zorro", "Tarzan", "Sherlock Holmes", "Superman", "Batman", "Spiderman", "James Bond 007"?

Why should "Star Trek" die? It's modern mythology.
I don't want it to die. I just don't want it to mutate into something way different and call itself Star Trek. An analogy would be if you took Superman and made him all gritty and dark. Or told a story with three pigs in it that had nothing to do with preparedness and planning ahead. I'd love to see some real Star Trekkish Trek come back on. animated is the most cost effective way. Experts on this board say it's not gonna happen. OK, then. I'll watch my old dvd's. Be well.
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Old December 2 2012, 12:19 AM   #22
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I don't want it to die. I just don't want it to mutate into something way different and call itself Star Trek. An analogy would be if you took Superman and made him all gritty and dark. Or told a story with three pigs in it that had nothing to do with preparedness and planning ahead.
So you don't want to see Elvis in the captain's chair?
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Old December 2 2012, 02:46 AM   #23
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So you don't want to see Elvis in the captain's chair?
1950's Elvis yes.

1960's Elvis maybe.

1970's Elvis ........



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Old December 2 2012, 02:48 AM   #24
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Merry Christmas this is STAR TREK, we don't need to worry about pesky time things!
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Old December 2 2012, 08:51 AM   #25
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nobody is writing new "Shakespearean" plays.
Then you haven't seen 1956's "Forbidden Planet" ("The Tempest") or TOS's "Elaan of Troyius" ("The Taming of the Shrew").

Or:
A Double Life (1947) Othello
A Thousand Acres (1997) King Lear
All Night Long (1962) Othello
Catch My Soul (1974) Othello
King of Texas (2002) King Lear
Kiss Me Kate (1948) The Taming of the Shrew
Let the Devil Wear Black (1999) Hamlet
Men of Respect (1991) Macbeth
My Own Private Idaho (1991) Henry IV and Henry V
Ran (1985) King Lear
Romeo Must Die (2000) Romeo and Juliet
Scotland, PA (2001) Macbeth
She’s the Man (2006) Twelfth Night
Strange Brew (1983) Hamlet
The Boys from Syracuse (1940) Comedy of Errors
Tower of London (1939) Richard III
Were the World Mine (2008) A Midsummer’s Night Dream
West Side Story (1961) Romeo and Juliet
Yellow Sky (1943) The Tempest.

http://www.dailywritingtips.com/20-m...espeare-plays/
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Old December 3 2012, 10:37 PM   #26
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I have never written a fanfic, but I have one in my head. For, like 25 years. Involving Elvis. '70s Elvis. Maybe someday.
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Old December 3 2012, 10:46 PM   #27
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^'Elvis isn't dead, kid. He just went home." -Agent K, MIB

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While I don't expect anything for a while, I wouldn't be surprised if there have been some 'informal' chats hinting that maybe after the next movie comes out it may be a good idea to start thinking about starting to think about what might be able to happen if someone maybe came up with an idea that might be worth thinking about. In a round about way.
Thanks, every bit as precise as the thread title!
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A better question is... should there be one?...
Isn't it time we just let the franchise die? It had its run, you can't really stretch it forever (IMO).
As long as there are profits to be made, Star Trek will live... in one form or another. Will it be the Star Trek defined by your mind? Maybe not, but it will live as long as the owners of the Star Trek property are willing to keep investing.
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