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Old December 1 2012, 11:19 PM   #31
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Re: Aliens with one name vs. aliens with two names

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Mc or Mac in names literally means "Son of", so Ronald McDonald is Ronald, son of Donald.
Pritchard is another - son of Richard.

As for Spock, I always think of him as Spock Sarekson.
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Old December 1 2012, 11:33 PM   #32
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Sounds Swedish.
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Old December 1 2012, 11:40 PM   #33
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Jarok had two names in the Defector.

That random Starfleet time delay admiral called him "Admiral Adilar Jarok" when they confirmed who he was.
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Old December 2 2012, 03:48 AM   #34
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In "This Side of Paradise", we get this bit of dialog:

Leila Kolomi: You never told me if you had another name, Mr Spock?
Spock: You couldn't pronounce it.

(Of course, maybe Leila had some unusual speech impediment not obvious on screen, and Spock meant only that SHE couldn't pronounce it!)
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^You're both right. In "This Side of Paradise," Spock told Leila that she couldn't pronounce his other name, and in "Journey to Babel," when Kirk addressed Amanda as "Mrs. Sarek," she told him that the Vulcan family name is hard for humans to pronounce, though she could say it "after a fashion and after many years of practice." Both were written by D.C. Fontana.
Unpronouncable Vulcan surnames haven't been brought up since then. (T'Lar, for instance, didn't use Sarek's supposed surname in ST3). In fact, I'm not sure there's ever been a two-named Vulcan.

Perhaps this tidbit might be best ignored, like Spock's emotions in "The Cage", Kirk's "James R. Kirk" tombstone in "Where No Man...", Data graduating in the "class of '78" in "Encounter at Farpoint", and the numerous differences between Trill on TNG and DS9.

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Then of course, there are the Cardassians. Two names, Natima Lang, Enabrin Tain, Elim Garak. Damar and Dukat only got given names in the lit-verse (unless I'm mistaken).
I think there's been enough 2-named Cardassians not to write that off as an anomaly.

In retrospect, I wish Dukat and Damar had been given names on the series proper, given the importance of both characters.

Moreover, Bariel didn't get a given name until season six, Winn didn't until season seven, and Leeta never got a first name. (I assume, of course that Leeta is her given name, not family one).

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Jarok had two names in the Defector.

That random Starfleet time delay admiral called him "Admiral Adilar Jarok" when they confirmed who he was.
See the OP.
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Old December 2 2012, 03:53 AM   #35
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^ The novels suggest that Leeta is her given name; she grew up in an orphanage and doesn't know her family name.
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Old December 2 2012, 04:11 AM   #36
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Leila Kolomi: You never told me if you had another name, Mr Spock?
Spock: You couldn't pronounce it.
What if that other name isn't the family name, but a more formal version of the given name? "Spock" could be a shortened version of his name, or diminutive, like "Jim".
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Old December 2 2012, 04:31 AM   #37
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^ The novels suggest that Leeta is her given name; she grew up in an orphanage and doesn't know her family name.
I assumed Leeta was her given name (remember the reverse order). It would've been rather odd for Bashir and Rom to address her as such otherwise.
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Old December 2 2012, 04:41 AM   #38
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I assumed Leeta was her given name (remember the reverse order). It would've been rather odd for Bashir and Rom to address her as such otherwise.
Odd to us, but certainly not uncommon on DS9. Nerys called both of her Bajoran lovers almost exclusively by their family names; Bareil and Shakaar.
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Old December 2 2012, 05:03 AM   #39
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What if that other name isn't the family name, but a more formal version of the given name? "Spock" could be a shortened version of his name, or diminutive, like "Jim".
But as I said, "Journey to Babel" (by the same writer) confirmed that the unpronounceable name is his family name.
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Old December 2 2012, 05:34 AM   #40
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I assumed Leeta was her given name (remember the reverse order). It would've been rather odd for Bashir and Rom to address her as such otherwise.
Odd to us, but certainly not uncommon on DS9. Nerys called both of her Bajoran lovers almost exclusively by their family names; Bareil and Shakaar.
Not always. And I believe they (and Odo) always referred to her as Nerys.
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Old December 2 2012, 06:07 AM   #41
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Not always.
I didn't say always. Just mostly.

And I believe they (and Odo) always referred to her as Nerys.
Nope, not always.

Anyway, I'm not actually arguing that Leeta should be her family name. I was only pointing out that it was not unusual for people to do that to Bajorans. Heck, did Ro ever called Laren? If she did, it wasn't often.
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Old December 2 2012, 06:12 AM   #42
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With the age of the Federation, you'd expected to see more names drift across culture - I think we have seen a Vulcan called Stephen but when are we going to see a Bolian called Wayne or a human called Spock?
Spock's a human name.
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Old December 2 2012, 03:41 PM   #43
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Spock's a human surname, but I think Joe was talking more in terms of given names.
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Old December 3 2012, 01:34 AM   #44
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Damar and Dukat only got given names in the lit-verse (unless I'm mistaken).
You're correct, although Dukat's initials were revealed in A Time to Stand as SG. He refers to himself in his log as "Dukat, SG" which would be consistent with his first name of Skrain given in the novels.

However, someone. Ira Behr or Ron Moore or someone said that the original intent was that SG was meant to be an abbreviation of his title, "Station Gul."
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Old December 3 2012, 03:46 AM   #45
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^ Why would Dukat use English abbreviations on his log?
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