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Old December 1 2012, 03:56 PM   #241
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After re-reading the generic synopsis, I thin the word "detonate" may be more deliberate than we thought, and probably not exactly what it seems to mean.

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I still maintain that detonate is used metaphorically, to show a burst of controversy and the division of starfleet in different factions based on their views for whatever idea it is Cumberbatch represents.
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Old December 1 2012, 06:47 PM   #242
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Wouldn't anyone be a tad disappointed if they recycle an old character rather than come up with something new? Doesn't anyone credit them with originality?

Oh, right. You must have all seen Star Trek 2009 as well.
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Old December 1 2012, 06:57 PM   #243
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After re-reading the generic synopsis, I thin the word "detonate" may be more deliberate than we thought, and probably not exactly what it seems to mean.

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I still maintain that detonate is used metaphorically, to show a burst of controversy and the division of starfleet in different factions based on their views for whatever idea it is Cumberbatch represents.
Then why don't they just say "blah blah divided the fleet blah blah"? Detonated is so tied with explosions in the English language that any other use of the word is odd.
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Old December 1 2012, 07:28 PM   #244
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Wouldn't anyone be a tad disappointed if they recycle an old character rather than come up with something new? Doesn't anyone credit them with originality?

Oh, right. You must have all seen Star Trek 2009 as well.

I think the entire point of "recycling" and old character right now is to give the fans a little treat to say "Hey! It's Gary Mitchell again!" or something. It's essentially harmless, especially if they do something different with the character. Even if they reveal to us his name, that's all we have, a name.
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Old December 1 2012, 08:04 PM   #245
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After re-reading the generic synopsis, I thin the word "detonate" may be more deliberate than we thought, and probably not exactly what it seems to mean.

RAMA

I still maintain that detonate is used metaphorically, to show a burst of controversy and the division of starfleet in different factions based on their views for whatever idea it is Cumberbatch represents.
Then why don't they just say "blah blah divided the fleet blah blah"? Detonated is so tied with explosions in the English language that any other use of the word is odd.
Who knows why. Maybe they wanted it to be ambiguous.
Even if the use of the word is odd, I still like my explanation better than the literal alternative.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Old December 1 2012, 09:52 PM   #246
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I still maintain that detonate is used metaphorically, to show a burst of controversy and the division of starfleet in different factions based on their views for whatever idea it is Cumberbatch represents.
Then why don't they just say "blah blah divided the fleet blah blah"? Detonated is so tied with explosions in the English language that any other use of the word is odd.
Actually it is the odd use of "detonated" that makes people think it might not mean what it usually does. How exactly do you detonate a fleet, not to mention what its stands for? It probably doesn't mean every last ship blows up (though I wouldn't rule it out!). The "Starfleet" reference probably means more the organisation (or is such "subtlety" just wishful thinking?). Further, "divide" doesn't necessarily imply a violent event.

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... an unstoppable force of terror from within their own organization has detonated the fleet ...
"Force of terror" rather than purely missiles etc?
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Old December 1 2012, 10:19 PM   #247
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I also think it's interesting the describe the villain as a "one man weapon of mass destruction." They don't say he uses a weapon of mass destruction. They say he is a weapon of mass destruction.

Do they mean that metaphorically, in that he causes so much damage that he is colloquially described as a weapon of mass destruction? That would lean more toward a villain like Khan. Or do they mean that more literally, in that it is he himself who is the weapon? That would lean more toward someone with special powers, like Gary Mitchell.
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Old December 1 2012, 10:20 PM   #248
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Wouldn't anyone be a tad disappointed if they recycle an old character rather than come up with something new? Doesn't anyone credit them with originality?

Oh, right. You must have all seen Star Trek 2009 as well.

I think the entire point of "recycling" and old character right now is to give the fans a little treat to say "Hey! It's Gary Mitchell again!" or something. It's essentially harmless, especially if they do something different with the character. Even if they reveal to us his name, that's all we have, a name.
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]In all honesty , am hoping the villain will be a brand new character, like star wars, strar trek should start expanding its universe more.
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Old December 1 2012, 10:32 PM   #249
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Wouldn't anyone be a tad disappointed if they recycle an old character rather than come up with something new? Doesn't anyone credit them with originality?

Oh, right. You must have all seen Star Trek 2009 as well.

I think the entire point of "recycling" and old character right now is to give the fans a little treat to say "Hey! It's Gary Mitchell again!" or something. It's essentially harmless, especially if they do something different with the character. Even if they reveal to us his name, that's all we have, a name.
Oh yes, what a treat. They take someone else's creation and no doubt ruin it. How grateful fans should be.
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Wouldn't anyone be a tad disappointed if they recycle an old character rather than come up with something new? Doesn't anyone credit them with originality?

Oh, right. You must have all seen Star Trek 2009 as well.

I think the entire point of "recycling" and old character right now is to give the fans a little treat to say "Hey! It's Gary Mitchell again!" or something. It's essentially harmless, especially if they do something different with the character. Even if they reveal to us his name, that's all we have, a name.
Oh yes, what a treat. They take someone else's creation and no doubt ruin it. How grateful fans should be.
Benedict Cumberbatch playing Garth of Izar?

I am grateful already!!
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Old December 1 2012, 10:39 PM   #251
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Oh yes, a weird-looking bloke best known for playing a fashionable bastardisation of a classic character. Let joy be unconfined.
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Old December 1 2012, 10:43 PM   #252
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My joy is rampant. RAMPANT.
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Old December 1 2012, 10:46 PM   #253
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Oh yes, a weird-looking bloke best known for playing a fashionable bastardisation of a classic character. Let joy be unconfined.
You mean a character no one outside of Trekkies that have watched every episode of TOS knows? Let's face it - most of the guest characters we care about mean nothing to outsiders. That doesn't mean that their Abramsverse versions will be terrible by default.
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Oh yes, a weird-looking bloke best known for playing a fashionable bastardisation of a classic character. Let joy be unconfined.
You mean a character no one outside of Trekkies that have watched every episode of TOS knows? Let's face it - most of the guest characters we care about mean nothing to outsiders. That doesn't mean that their Abramsverse versions will be terrible by default.
No, I meant Sherlock Holmes. And the Abramsverse is already terrible by default. Into Darkpiss will have to be pretty spectacular to make up for the abomination for the previous one, and I don't trust the two chancers who wrote the Transformers films or JJ "Lost (up his own arse)" Abrams to accomplish that.
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He'd be a fantastic Garth of Izar.

Saying Garth of Izar over and over will make it happen.
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