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Old December 1 2012, 12:28 AM   #1231
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Another thought came to mind while rereading the book: Peter Jackson made a huge deal out of each time Frodo put on the One Ring in The Fellowship of the Ring and how Sauron felt its presence. Now, I don't remember how that was depicted in the book (but I don't think it was quite like how we saw it in the film), but Bilbo's frequent use of the One Ring is quite nonchalant. That's no surprise considering the book was written long before the trilogy (even if he did edit the "Riddles in the Dark" chapter to make it more aligned to the trilogy) and hadn't fully developed the One Ring and such.

My question is how will Peter Jackson depict Bilbo's use of the One Ring? He uses it frequently (escaping Gollum, sneaking up on the dwarves, escaping and fighting the spiders, freeing the dwarves from the Silvan Elves, etc.) with no ill effect. Will Peter Jackson tie this in with the rise of the Necromancer?
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Old December 1 2012, 12:36 AM   #1232
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I'm certain he will. I imagine Bilbo will still enter that weird otherworld Frodo went into whenever he put on the ring, but Sauron's presence probably won't be as strong.
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Old December 1 2012, 12:45 AM   #1233
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There is an interview somewhere that mentions that Bilbo will enter the otherworld, and that it will have an effect on Bilbo but that it will be far more subtile then what Frodo felt.

Now that was from months ago, so I don't know if they still are doing that, but its what I read.
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Old December 1 2012, 03:00 AM   #1234
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As I'm reading through the Mirkwood chapters, I'm thinking that the first movie of the trilogy will end just prior to them entering Mirkwood (although I'm not sure how that gels with Gandalf's side adventures).
I thought it had already been confirmed that the movie would end at exactly the spot you describe? They were originally going to end it after Mirkwood, but going from 2 to 3 movies moved the end of "Unexpected Journey" earlier.

There's still a lot of debate about where they'll end Film 2 though.
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Old December 1 2012, 04:58 AM   #1235
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I'm guessing Movie 2 ends with them killing Smaug, devoting Movie 3 to the Battle of 5 Armies and the assault on the Necromancer.

I'm not sure the best place to end Movie 1. With the fight with the Goblins? Entering Mirkwood, particularly after hanging out with Beorn, wouldn't be very climactic...
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Old December 1 2012, 05:44 AM   #1236
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I'm not sure the best place to end Movie 1.
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Old December 1 2012, 06:41 AM   #1237
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I'm guessing Movie 2 ends with them killing Smaug, devoting Movie 3 to the Battle of 5 Armies and the assault on the Necromancer.
I hope it doesn't end with killing Smaug ... leave that for a riveting opening to Film 3 and, instead, end Film 2 with the White Counsel at Dol Guldur.

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I'm not sure the best place to end Movie 1. With the fight with the Goblins? Entering Mirkwood, particularly after hanging out with Beorn, wouldn't be very climactic...
The soundtrack for the Hobbit ends with these tracks:

10. Out of the Frying-Pan
11. A Good Omen
12. Song of the Lonely Mountain performed by Neil Finn
13. Dreaming of Bag End

Track 12 is a pop-music piece, meaning it'll be the beginning of the end credits (which would likely be track 12). If that's the case, it seems like Film 1 ends:

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Old December 1 2012, 02:33 PM   #1238
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That's exactly where I would end it too. It's quite logical for a number of reasons.

It's ending the second movie that worries me. I'm afraid they'll do it after the death of Smaug, but I think there are serious problems with that. The book (like the LOTR movies) have false ending problems. And audience members who aren't familiar with the story will have been told this is the quest to kill a dragon. They'd be kind of confused when there's a third movie and the dragon is dead.
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Old December 1 2012, 07:25 PM   #1239
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If only I didn't give a crap about audience members who aren't familiar with the story.
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Old December 1 2012, 07:52 PM   #1240
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If that's the case, it seems like Film 1 ends:

That sounds about right because
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Old December 1 2012, 08:24 PM   #1241
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Old December 1 2012, 09:01 PM   #1242
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It's ending the second movie that worries me. I'm afraid they'll do it after the death of Smaug, but I think there are serious problems with that. The book (like the LOTR movies) have false ending problems. And audience members who aren't familiar with the story will have been told this is the quest to kill a dragon. They'd be kind of confused when there's a third movie and the dragon is dead.
Does it really matter if they don't show up for the third movie? It's not as if there are potential further installments that are contingent upon its success; the third film is pretty much the end of the road for this adaptation of Middle Earth, no?
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Old December 1 2012, 10:26 PM   #1243
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That's exactly where I would end it too. It's quite logical for a number of reasons.

It's ending the second movie that worries me. I'm afraid they'll do it after the death of Smaug, but I think there are serious problems with that. The book (like the LOTR movies) have false ending problems. And audience members who aren't familiar with the story will have been told this is the quest to kill a dragon. They'd be kind of confused when there's a third movie and the dragon is dead.
Well it depends on the focus of the narrative.

Is it lets go out and kill the dragon? Or is it lets reclaim our homeland?

Now obviously Smaug is tied to both, but at least with the material we have been shown so far, there is a real push not to just kill the dragon and get the gold, but to reclaim Erebor, and to get their home back.

If the first movie and realy lays down that aspect, teh history of Erebor, teh pride of the Dwarves, ect. And we are shown that Smaug isn't the only obstacle just one of them for that to occur, then I see no issue with Smaug meeting his end in the 2nd film. Its not like its really tied that much tot eh actions of Bilbo or the Dwarves, except indirectly.
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We see plenty of them. Just not the ones from a certain area of Middle Earth.
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If that's the case, it seems like Film 1 ends:
That sounds about right because
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