Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome - Grading & Discussion - Page 20

Samuel Walters · November 30 2012, 06:17 AM

Robert Maxwell wrote:

It'd be kind of interesting to see the Cylon mad scientist who had to come up with these things, too.

Or maybe it's just a deranged human working with them.

Too bad the character couldn't be played by John Calicos. It'd be too perfect!

DanCPA · November 30 2012, 09:45 AM

Mutenroshi wrote:

Or that old dude from Razor (I like the theory that it could be Graystone, btw...)

Graystone would be great!

Kegg · November 30 2012, 03:42 PM

So Episodes 7&8.

There can be a fair criticism of the series that it feels a little videogamey with all the CGI and the focus on killing things, but I think episode 7's weird snowy nighttime reprieve with two soldiers drinking by a piano was just the variation it needed. There may honestly not be a lot of substance here, but it's a webseries, and B&C has been doing pretty solid by those standards.

The Cylon screaming in pain is one of those things that baffle me (why would machines program pain to work the same way as it does with humans?) but it's no better or worse than how the series has consistently portrayed Cylon 'evolution', frankly.

There's clearly something up with their mission leader. I'm expecting some kind of twist as to her real purpose here - monotheist conspiracy, or dealing with defectors, or something probably more interesting and better written than those examples.

Next week this all ends. Pity, it's been nice to return to BSG.

Mutenroshi · November 30 2012, 04:19 PM

Kegg wrote:

So Episodes 7&8.
The Cylon screaming in pain is one of those things that baffle me (why would machines program pain to work the same way as it does with humans?) but it's no better or worse than how the series has consistently portrayed Cylon 'evolution', frankly.

I'm sure it has something to do with Resurrection (the process, not the ship) that was dealt with in Caprica. I could hypothesize that *inside* Cylons are digital copies of human souls, just like with Zoe Graystone.

Samuel Walters · November 30 2012, 04:35 PM

Resurrection would be a nice tie-in to both Caprica and nBSG. Speaking of which, I'm wondering if the mission leader isn't doing what she's doing because of her dead hubby - trying to somehow resurrect him. Especially after that V-world comment.

Saul · November 30 2012, 06:24 PM

Kegg wrote:

The Cylon screaming in pain is one of those things that baffle me (why would machines program pain to work the same way as it does with humans?)

They might want to be closer to humans and living creatures and feel pain. Feeling pain makes them want to protect their own lives more. Fight harder against the enemy.

pst · November 30 2012, 09:50 PM

Saul wrote:

Kegg wrote:

The Cylon screaming in pain is one of those things that baffle me (why would machines program pain to work the same way as it does with humans?)

They might want to be closer to humans and living creatures and feel pain. Feeling pain makes them want to protect their own lives more. Fight harder against the enemy.

totally agree. why would they want to replace their robotic bodies with fragile flesh and blood? they have a bizarre desire to be human....

anyone want to hazard a guess what these centurions even are? i kept expecting husker to ask what they hell they are, but nope... maybe in the blu-ray.

137th Gebirg · November 30 2012, 10:30 PM

My guess is that they may be a centurion-class hybrid experiment with some organic goo for internal workings - possibly with a simple organic brain to be able to think in trinary - "yes", "no" and "maybe", to emulate advanced artificial intelligence.

pst · November 30 2012, 11:04 PM

137th Gebirg wrote:

My guess is that they may be a centurion-class hybrid experiment with some organic goo for internal workings - possibly with a simple organic brain to be able to think in trinary - "yes", "no" and "maybe", to emulate advanced artificial intelligence.

...maybe.

my thought was that they were another intermediary step between what we saw in caprica and what we saw in BSG. like the first generation of cylons to be constructed by cylon and not human hands.

6079SmithW · December 1 2012, 10:18 AM

So the metal centurions can feel pain? I didn't see any organic components on them so I guess it's programmed in. Interesting to hear them "cry". Made me feel kind of sorry for them. Some are complaining that they don't look like the original models from Razor but maybe these are combat forms and the others are pilot forms.

What was up with the cylon scanning Becca's tag? Do the cylons remember her as one of their programmers and see her as a mother? Is her mission to try and make peace with them and the tag helps identify her to them?

Good to see The Adama Maneuver (beating a cylon to death with a metal pipe) make an appearance. First Leoban in the miniseries, then the centurion in Razor, now a centurion in B&C.

I can't wait to see what their mission actually is and if we will see any proto-skinjobs.

The Wormhole · December 1 2012, 04:09 PM

Episodes 7 and 8 were rather meh. Adama and Beka finally get it on after endless build up. We get a nice character moment with Coker playing the piano. But, I don't know, something was lacking. And the Cylon screaming in pain and bleeding oil was a bit much.

Also, the pipe Adama beat that Cylon with looked too small to be threatening. Yes, I noticed it was supposed to be electromagnetic since it seemed to electrocute the centurion with each impact, but still.

Mutenroshi · December 1 2012, 09:28 PM

The sex scene was obviously left out. It'll probably be on the blu-ray in February.

The Wormhole · December 2 2012, 01:56 AM

Snowy Roshi wrote:

The sex scene was obviously left out. It'll probably be on the blu-ray in February.

I actually preferred the way it played out in the webisode, the two of them laying it thickly with the double entedres and then jumping ahead to afterwards. I thought it paced better than if we had seen the actual sex. But maybe that's just me. Don't worry, I won't be a buzzkill and bitch about seeing titties on the blu-ray, even if it does compromise the artistic inegrity of the scene. Or something.

DarthPipes · December 2 2012, 04:03 AM

It feels like this storyline is just moving along without much time to explain things.

Kaijima · December 2 2012, 05:45 AM

I'm under the impression that the OG chrome toaster centurions from Razor were supposed to be human constructed models, from that generation - they would have been the advanced production versions of the oversized prototype battle robot frame from Caprica. With martial, regal styling to denote them as formally part of a (human controlled) Cylon armed forces.

Likewise, the original "pie plate" basestars seem like they were the original human designed Cylon carrier ships. The tri-star basestar we saw take on Osiris in Blood & Chrome is likely one of the first Cylon-designed ships. Likewise, the centurions seen in these episodes are the first post-toaster centurion models. They drop the pretense of serving human sensibilities and human vanity.

As to just what kind of mind is in these things, it's possible that they're copies of human mindstates, just mass produced. It was almost insinuated in Caprica. The original Graystone industries Cylon "products", both civilian and military models, were possibly stamped out by copying a few master AI chips that had human derived personalities in them. Therefore, while they were never actually real people, all the Cylons fighting in the war have human like intelligence and perhaps their own personal projection of reality. How they see themselves.

The business about feeling pain could be an inevitable side effect of the kind of AIs they are. Perhaps the minds, based on human minds, suffer from virtual neural connections to the components of the robot bodies.

As for wanting to be organic / human, remember that what the Cylons want freedom from is oppression and being used as disposable people. The First Cylon herself wanted to be human again and didn't see the joy in remaining an iron plated robot. It hasn't been revealed just what connection she has, if any, to the rebellion. Could it be that the Cylons, before the arrival of the Five and the manipulation of Cavil, wished to find some form of hybrid form that allowed them to feel some form of humanity while preserving their mechanical advantages?

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November 30 2012, 03:42 PM	#288
Kegg Rear Admiral Location: Ireland.	Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome - Grading & Discussion So Episodes 7&8. There can be a fair criticism of the series that it feels a little videogamey with all the CGI and the focus on killing things, but I think episode 7's weird snowy nighttime reprieve with two soldiers drinking by a piano was just the variation it needed. There may honestly not be a lot of substance here, but it's a webseries, and B&C has been doing pretty solid by those standards. The Cylon screaming in pain is one of those things that baffle me (why would machines program pain to work the same way as it does with humans?) but it's no better or worse than how the series has consistently portrayed Cylon 'evolution', frankly. There's clearly something up with their mission leader. I'm expecting some kind of twist as to her real purpose here - monotheist conspiracy, or dealing with defectors, or something probably more interesting and better written than those examples. Next week this all ends. Pity, it's been nice to return to BSG. __________________ 'Spock is always right, even when he's wrong. It's the tone of voice, the supernatural reasonability; this is not a man like us; this is a god.' - Philip K. Dick

November 30 2012, 04:35 PM	#290
Samuel Walters Commodore Location: A ship of the imagination.	Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome - Grading & Discussion Resurrection would be a nice tie-in to both Caprica and nBSG. Speaking of which, I'm wondering if the mission leader isn't doing what she's doing because of her dead hubby - trying to somehow resurrect him. Especially after that V-world comment. __________________ The Andira Chronicles, Book 1: The Darkness

November 30 2012, 10:30 PM	#293
137th Gebirg Rear Admiral Location: Who is John Galt?	Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome - Grading & Discussion My guess is that they may be a centurion-class hybrid experiment with some organic goo for internal workings - possibly with a simple organic brain to be able to think in trinary - "yes", "no" and "maybe", to emulate advanced artificial intelligence. __________________ Gebirgswick - Ind, Tra, Sec & Env.

December 1 2012, 10:18 AM	#295
6079SmithW Vice Admiral	Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome - Grading & Discussion So the metal centurions can feel pain? I didn't see any organic components on them so I guess it's programmed in. Interesting to hear them "cry". Made me feel kind of sorry for them. Some are complaining that they don't look like the original models from Razor but maybe these are combat forms and the others are pilot forms. What was up with the cylon scanning Becca's tag? Do the cylons remember her as one of their programmers and see her as a mother? Is her mission to try and make peace with them and the tag helps identify her to them? Good to see The Adama Maneuver (beating a cylon to death with a metal pipe) make an appearance. First Leoban in the miniseries, then the centurion in Razor, now a centurion in B&C. I can't wait to see what their mission actually is and if we will see any proto-skinjobs. __________________ Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space.

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December 1 2012, 04:09 PM	#296
The Wormhole Admiral	Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome - Grading & Discussion Episodes 7 and 8 were rather meh. Adama and Beka finally get it on after endless build up. We get a nice character moment with Coker playing the piano. But, I don't know, something was lacking. And the Cylon screaming in pain and bleeding oil was a bit much. Also, the pipe Adama beat that Cylon with looked too small to be threatening. Yes, I noticed it was supposed to be electromagnetic since it seemed to electrocute the centurion with each impact, but still. __________________ "Internet message boards aren't as funny today as they were ten years ago. I've stopped reading new posts." -The Simpsons 20th anniversary special.

December 1 2012, 09:28 PM	#297
Mutenroshi 亀仙人 - 武天老師 Location: Mutenroshi	Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome - Grading & Discussion The sex scene was obviously left out. It'll probably be on the blu-ray in February. __________________ Let There Be Rock! Jack Beauregard: "You shine like the door of a whorehouse!" *Nobody:* "I like folks to see me."

December 2 2012, 04:03 AM	#299
DarthPipes Rear Admiral	Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome - Grading & Discussion It feels like this storyline is just moving along without much time to explain things.

December 2 2012, 05:45 AM	#300
Kaijima Captain Location: United States	Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome - Grading & Discussion I'm under the impression that the OG chrome toaster centurions from Razor were supposed to be human constructed models, from that generation - they would have been the advanced production versions of the oversized prototype battle robot frame from Caprica. With martial, regal styling to denote them as formally part of a (human controlled) Cylon armed forces. Likewise, the original "pie plate" basestars seem like they were the original human designed Cylon carrier ships. The tri-star basestar we saw take on Osiris in Blood & Chrome is likely one of the first Cylon-designed ships. Likewise, the centurions seen in these episodes are the first post-toaster centurion models. They drop the pretense of serving human sensibilities and human vanity. As to just what kind of mind is in these things, it's possible that they're copies of human mindstates, just mass produced. It was almost insinuated in Caprica. The original Graystone industries Cylon "products", both civilian and military models, were possibly stamped out by copying a few master AI chips that had human derived personalities in them. Therefore, while they were never actually real people, all the Cylons fighting in the war have human like intelligence and perhaps their own personal projection of reality. How they see themselves. The business about feeling pain could be an inevitable side effect of the kind of AIs they are. Perhaps the minds, based on human minds, suffer from virtual neural connections to the components of the robot bodies. As for wanting to be organic / human, remember that what the Cylons want freedom from is oppression and being used as disposable people. The First Cylon herself wanted to be human again and didn't see the joy in remaining an iron plated robot. It hasn't been revealed just what connection she has, if any, to the rebellion. Could it be that the Cylons, before the arrival of the Five and the manipulation of Cavil, wished to find some form of hybrid form that allowed them to feel some form of humanity while preserving their mechanical advantages?