Superman (casting, rumors, pix till release) - Page 323

Admiral Buzzkill · November 29 2012, 03:24 PM

None is really evident in either of those films, except for the fact that they're origin stories. A lot of Burton's Batman in both, though.

Captaindemotion · November 29 2012, 05:17 PM

My Name Is Legion wrote:

None is really evident in either of those films, except for the fact that they're origin stories. A lot of Burton's Batman in both, though.

I don't know. Burton's Batman is very stylised, with an almost surreal Gotham, of huge sets and Gothic architecture. Nolan's Gotham, like Donner's Metropolis, is recognisably a real city (Chicago v New York).

Burton was also aiming for a characteristically surreal almost fairy-tale atmosphere to his Batmovies (more so with Returns than the first one admittedly). Someone said that his Batman movies are arguably more companion pieces to the likes of Edward Scissorhands than to other superhero movies and I tend to agree. Whereas Nolan, like Donner, wanted his movies to be set within a reasonably realistic world.

I think also that Nolan, particularly with Begins, very much tried to avoid the trap of the villain completely overshadowing the hero, which beset the earlier Batman films (even if it ended up happening with Ledger as the Joker, but that was in part down to the actor's death and cult following).

Here's what Nolan himself has said:

http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/con...k-knight-rises

I had in mind a sort of treatment of Batman that Richard Donner might have done in the late Seventies the way he did Superman. To me what that represented was firstly a detailed telling of the origin story, which wasn’t even really definitively addressed in the comics over the years, funnily enough. And secondly, tonally I was looking for an interpretation of that character that presented an extraordinary figure in an ordinary world. So I wanted the inhabitants of Gotham to view Batman as being as outlandish and extraordinary as we do.
I do love actors and I feel great actors can find the depth of a characterization that adds to the richness of the film. I felt a lot of the scale of Batman Begins should come through the casting, and once again I looked back to Richard Donner’s Superman for that because he cast Marlon Brando and Glenn Ford and Ned Beatty.

As to the Spider-man movies, well, Raimi admittedly stole Burton's composer (Danny Elfman) but I thought that tonally they had more in common with Donner's sunny and cheerful movie than with Burton's gothic vision. There was more of an innocence to them - certainly, the scene where New Yorkers pelt the Goblin near the end is more like something from Superman the Movie than something from Batman, IMHO.

JD · November 29 2012, 07:53 PM

Yeah, I don't really see a lot of the Burton Batman movies in modern superhero movies like Raimi's Spidermans and Nolan's Batmans. Burton's movies where very stylized and kinda OTT, while most of the modern stuff has been going for the more realistic tone for the world around the character that the Superman movies used.

Alidar Jarok · November 29 2012, 09:06 PM

I think you have to distinguish between Batman and Batman Returns as far as over the top.

Donald Draper · November 29 2012, 09:21 PM

JD wrote:

Yeah, I don't really see a lot of the Burton Batman movies in modern superhero movies like Raimi's Spidermans and Nolan's Batmans.

Actually I see a lot similarities in tone and style between Burton's Batman and Raimi's Spider-man.

Trekker4747 · November 29 2012, 09:31 PM

Really?!

Donald Draper · November 29 2012, 10:36 PM

Much more so than with Nolan's Batman.

Trekker4747 · November 30 2012, 01:29 AM

The only similarities in tone in and style between Burton's Batman and Raimi's Spider-man is that they're pretty much exact opposites of one another. One is all darks, gothic, grays a'la how Burton's been for, well, his entire career the other is all colorful, insane whimsy that Raimi used to ruin Spider-Man's movies and horrendously date them. (I'm looking at you Power Rangers-looking encounter scenes between Spidey and Green Goblin.)

The only similarity is our lead villain chewing scenery.

Admiral_Young · November 30 2012, 07:00 AM

Our own Greg Cox is writing the "Man of Steel" novelization!!

http://www.amazon.com/Man-Steel-Offi...s=Man+of+Steel

Greg Cox · November 30 2012, 03:17 PM

Admiral_Young wrote:

Our own Greg Cox is writing the "Man of Steel" novelization!!

http://www.amazon.com/Man-Steel-Offi...s=Man+of+Steel

I can now confirm this is the case.

Sorry to ignore your question about this a few weeks back, but it hadn't been officially announced yet.

Needless to say, I'm sworn to secrecy about all things Superman-related!

Misfit Toy · November 30 2012, 03:46 PM

Greg Cox wrote:

Admiral_Young wrote:

Our own Greg Cox is writing the "Man of Steel" novelization!!

http://www.amazon.com/Man-Steel-Offi...s=Man+of+Steel

I can now confirm this is the case.

Sorry to ignore your question about this a few weeks back, but it hadn't been officially announced yet.

Needless to say, I'm sworn to secrecy about all things Superman-related!

Congratulations! And I'm sure there's room for a Krypto mention SOMEwhere...I mean, you'll have so many pages to fill and everything...

Gojira · November 30 2012, 05:33 PM

Greg Cox wrote:

Admiral_Young wrote:

Our own Greg Cox is writing the "Man of Steel" novelization!!

http://www.amazon.com/Man-Steel-Offi...s=Man+of+Steel

I can now confirm this is the case.

Sorry to ignore your question about this a few weeks back, but it hadn't been officially announced yet.

Needless to say, I'm sworn to secrecy about all things Superman-related!

Can't wait to read it!!!

JarodRussell · November 30 2012, 07:19 PM

Greg Cox wrote:

Admiral_Young wrote:

Our own Greg Cox is writing the "Man of Steel" novelization!!

http://www.amazon.com/Man-Steel-Offi...s=Man+of+Steel

I can now confirm this is the case.

Sorry to ignore your question about this a few weeks back, but it hadn't been officially announced yet.

Needless to say, I'm sworn to secrecy about all things Superman-related!

How does it feel - with The Dark Knight Rises and The Man of Steel novelizations - to reach more people than Alan Dean Foster with the Star Trek 2009 novelization?

Admiral_Young · November 30 2012, 07:30 PM

No need to apologize Greg. I understand you probably weren't allowed to saying back then. I'm kind of surprised this just popped out of no where so early. I think the TDRK announcement came much sooner to the film's release IIRC didn't it?

Greg Cox · November 30 2012, 11:49 PM

JarodRussell wrote:

How does it feel - with The Dark Knight Rises and The Man of Steel novelizations - to reach more people than Alan Dean Foster with the Star Trek 2009 novelization?

Given that Foster novelized Star Wars, Alien, Aliens, and many, many others, I suspect he's still way ahead of me.

Heck, Foster was writing bestselling novelizations while I was still in high school!

November 29 2012, 03:24 PM	#4831
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: Superman (casting, rumors, pix till release) None is really evident in either of those films, except for the fact that they're origin stories. A lot of Burton's Batman in both, though. __________________ I had steak and a loaded baked potato for dinner on Sunday. As a steak I enjoyed it a lot, but as macaroni and cheese I thought it was disappointing.

November 29 2012, 07:53 PM	#4833
JD Admiral Location: Arizona, USA	Re: Superman (casting, rumors, pix till release) Yeah, I don't really see a lot of the Burton Batman movies in modern superhero movies like Raimi's Spidermans and Nolan's Batmans. Burton's movies where very stylized and kinda OTT, while most of the modern stuff has been going for the more realistic tone for the world around the character that the Superman movies used. __________________ Over the course of many encounters and many years, I have successfully developed a standard operating procedure for dealing with big, nasty monsters. Run away. Me and Monty Python. Harry Dresden - Blood Rites (The Dresden Files #6)

November 29 2012, 09:06 PM	#4834
Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Location: Arlington, VA	Re: Superman (casting, rumors, pix till release) I think you have to distinguish between Batman and Batman Returns as far as over the top. __________________ When on Romulus, Do as the Romulans

November 29 2012, 09:31 PM	#4836
Trekker4747 To boldly go... Location: Kansas City	Re: Superman (casting, rumors, pix till release) Really?! __________________ Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.

November 29 2012, 10:36 PM	#4837
Donald Draper Fleet Captain	Re: Superman (casting, rumors, pix till release) Much more so than with Nolan's Batman.

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November 30 2012, 01:29 AM	#4838
Trekker4747 To boldly go... Location: Kansas City	Re: Superman (casting, rumors, pix till release) The only similarities in tone in and style between Burton's Batman and Raimi's Spider-man is that they're pretty much exact opposites of one another. One is all darks, gothic, grays a'la how Burton's been for, well, his entire career the other is all colorful, insane whimsy that Raimi used to ruin Spider-Man's movies and horrendously date them. (I'm looking at you Power Rangers-looking encounter scenes between Spidey and Green Goblin.) The only similarity is our lead villain chewing scenery. __________________ Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.

November 30 2012, 07:00 AM	#4839
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: Superman (casting, rumors, pix till release) Our own Greg Cox is writing the "Man of Steel" novelization!! http://www.amazon.com/Man-Steel-Offi...s=Man+of+Steel __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

November 30 2012, 07:30 PM	#4844
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: Superman (casting, rumors, pix till release) No need to apologize Greg. I understand you probably weren't allowed to saying back then. I'm kind of surprised this just popped out of no where so early. I think the TDRK announcement came much sooner to the film's release IIRC didn't it? __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.